carcommander

First car about 150k list, 2nd car about 160k list.

promocop

Those numbers don't look like MSRP. And what person shopping for one would not be cognizant of this site and read thru all this drama?

4forme

I think you are right. Those prices are prob over msrp. Not sure you can get to $179,950 without PTS or other special options.

GreenLantern

For some of us, that paranoia was developed from decades of experience. Sadly.

Indeed. And this is one of the many reasons why I want a list of the 20 VIN's.

That's way above MSRP. $164k list price? MSRP for that car was $148k:

911 GT3 130,400.00
082 90L - Fuel tank 0.00
0Q White 0.00
342 Seat heating 690.00
474 Front axle lift system 3,490.00
490 Sound Package Plus 700.00
509 Fire Extinguisher 140.00
581 Luggage net in passenger footwell 0.00
619 Mobile phone preparation 0.00
640 Sport Chrono Clock (with PCM) 400.00
68 Leather interior in Black/Alcantara®, stitching in Guards Red 3,320.00
690 SiriusXM Satellite Radio® receiver and HD Radio® receiver 1,120.00
749 Leather interior package with decorative Red stitching 1,490.00
810 Floor Mats 0.00
840 SportDesign steering wheel 0.00
P07 Adaptive Sport Seats Plus (18-way) 2,635.00
P1B Brushed Aluminum interior package, Anthracite with leather interior 325.00
P23 Porsche Communication Management (PCM) incl. navigation module 0.00
XEX Bi-Xenon™ headlights in Black incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS) 1,345.00
XSX Seat belts in Guards Red 340.00
XXG Clear glass tail lights 610.00
Total Options 16,605.00
Total Charges 995.00
Total Order 148,000.00

sccchiii

What is everyone's consensus on posting vins? My personal take is that it really is not that hard to find the VINS anyways and I think it would be a service for those to keep an eye out for in many years to come, not that I think that these are problem cars because I have a different view point on them. I would love one of these for a track use at a specific price but of course the good old free market spoke on these. I've been quite a bad guy in the past and don't want to disturb the peace any more I am just trying to provide useful info? If many feel otherwise I won't post, but dealers have easy access to vins and so do non Porsche dealers/wholesalers?

GreenLantern

They sure are. The one they have listed at $179,950 had an MSRP of $163,580.

GreenLantern

Just so it doesn't come of as I'm just a general hater... There are dealers, salespeople, sales managers, GSM's, GM's, etc., that are awesome. Those are the ones that continue to get my business. It's more of a relationship than anything else.

Haku

My word! The skepticism on this thread from folks (who do NOT own a 991 GT3) amazes me!

Keep things simple, the cars are not lemons, dealers bid for them in a closed auction and were eventually sold at or above MSRP. Dealers who bought them obviously intend to make a profit on them (see Hennessy listings).

For those here who want to read more into this and create doomsday scenarios may just be wanting to justify their personal bias's or decision to buy the car or not!

GreenLantern

To be honest, I always wonder why people are shy about their VIN's (not commenting about you, specifically). I can walk up to any car in public, and read off the VIN; it's not confidential information. Same with license plates*.

I'm already manually compiling a list of these cars,. It shouldn't be too hard to manually do it as they start to pop up on Cars.com / AutoTrader / PCNA's Used Car Locator. My belief is all us enthusiasts on Rennlist should know, especially if someone is trying to pass the car off as having a "normal" history. I don't think these cars deserve to be branded**, but they are, and we should be able to know what happened to them. Hopefully a buyer will review CarFax first, but more resources never hurt, and that's what I think this forum serves as.

(* One of the times I think it's Ok to be shy about plate #'s is if you're tracking your street car... Some insurance companies frown upon it, for some reason.)

(** There's nothing wrong with them! New engine. Extended warranty. Boom! Done. Buy one / keep yours, love it, enjoy it in good health.)

GreenLantern

green

The market is just inefficient. Some dealers including an ad on this site have brand new cars at msrp, and others sell used cars over list.

allans

Am I in the 991 GT3 thread ? This kind of negative speculation is what you usually find on Corvette or Viper forums. After all many of us have gone thru with these cars i would think this would be VERY POSITIVE news, it is for me.

frayed

Christ. Finally voice of reason.

GreenLantern

Indeed. I'm surprised that they sold for as high as they did, but they did because they expected to (still) turn a profit.

Whether or not they do, is another story all together. Dealers don't always make as juicy of a profit as they were hoping to on each used car they sell.

Still, it would've been a truer test of values if it was an open wholesale auction, not a closed private / Porsche-dealer-only auction.

RossL

Most people that buy cars aren't cognizant of enthusiast forums. This include Porsche buyers just like all the rest.