View Poll Results: You own a .1 GT3 and are buying a .2 GT3, manual or PDK?
Manual
67
37.85%
PDK
93
52.54%
Never owned a PDK GT3 and PDK owners should be shot by ISIS
17
9.60%
Voters: 177. You may not vote on this poll
Twist: Manual vs. PDK Poll for actual GT3-PDK owners
#17
Nordschleife Master
Has the "forced/no-choice" conversion made you a true convert such that when you have a choice (a good thing), you'd stick with the newer technology?
In other words, without real world experience, I would have chosen a manual every time. After having the PDK-S experience (albeit reluctantly at first), I'm not so sure...
In other words, without real world experience, I would have chosen a manual every time. After having the PDK-S experience (albeit reluctantly at first), I'm not so sure...
#18
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by Scott997
I had a 997.2 GT3 and sold it for a 991 GT3. I never connected with the car. I sold it and am waiting for a 991.2 GT3 in manual. I regret selling my 997.
To be honest, at one point I was considering moving to a 997.2 RS and I am glad I didn't and instead got a 991 GT3 with PDK. The 2 cars seem Yrs apart even though they are only a few yrs apart.
#20
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
I had the opposite effect. Bought a 991 GT3 while still owning a 997.2 GT3. The 997 just sat in the garage. I would never drive it. When driven back to back, the 997 engine felt lethargic and lazy. Just didn't connect with the car anymore. Sold the 997 and have never looked back.
To be honest, at one point I was considering moving to a 997.2 RS and I am glad I didn't and instead got a 991 GT3 with PDK. The 2 cars seem Yrs apart even though they are only a few yrs apart.
To be honest, at one point I was considering moving to a 997.2 RS and I am glad I didn't and instead got a 991 GT3 with PDK. The 2 cars seem Yrs apart even though they are only a few yrs apart.
The 991 is the first 911 that doesn't require that you manage around some fundamental flaw. In stock form, the understeer is still there, but it's really easy to manage. You can get the car to do what you want it to rather than having to adapt to what the car wants to do.
The other cars just feel old, underpowered and dated in comparison. The PDK is just part of that technological advancement. Of course, the manual in the .2 is a great thing - perhaps the perfect blend of old and new school.
#21
Rennlist Member
i have been always a manual guy
after owning a GT3 and currently GT3RS , I am not sure which way to go. I drive RS I say PDK, the next day I drive my spyder , then I say manual . I am glad that I don't have to choose today , but most likely will be a flip of a coin as i will be happy with either
after owning a GT3 and currently GT3RS , I am not sure which way to go. I drive RS I say PDK, the next day I drive my spyder , then I say manual . I am glad that I don't have to choose today , but most likely will be a flip of a coin as i will be happy with either
#22
Race Director
I tend to think the simplest explanation is the most plausible. Porsche really believed not enough people would want a manual to matter. I read somewhere that over 80% of the German market is ordering PDK. In Europe it's all about F1. Paddle shifters and all out performance are what matters most to the vast majority of buyers in that market.
At least Porsche listened.
At least Porsche listened.
#23
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Fascinating results - data has stuck right around 55% to 60% PDK converts through the whole poll. You have to assume that rennlist is representative of the most hardcore of the true enthusiasts, and porsche converted more than half of us to PDK? Pretty amazing, and says a lot about the fun factor of PDK. I HATE autos. If my only choice had been tiptronic, I would've bought another brand.
#24
Race Director
Fascinating results - data has stuck right around 55% to 60% PDK converts through the whole poll. You have to assume that rennlist is representative of the most hardcore of the true enthusiasts, and porsche converted more than half of us to PDK? Pretty amazing, and says a lot about the fun factor of PDK. I HATE autos. If my only choice had been tiptronic, I would've bought another brand.
#25
I have a .1 GT3 PDK and I simultaneously owned a GT4. I'm a manual guy. I liked both, but let the GT4 go because the excitement of the GT3's power, grip, steering, sound, handling and looks easily outweighed my preference for manual v PDK. And yes, PDK-S is awesome.
Still, though, I am ordering a manual .2 GT3. Figure best of both worlds. Also, truth be told, if .2 GT3 was PDK only, I probably wouldn't feel conpelled to upgrade despite the 4.0 and other tweaks, so great already is the current .1 GT3.
Honestly, if I could justify the expense, I'd probably keep both to have one PDK-S and one manual GT3.
I dont track, but will be doing the Smokies GT event next month which includes a track day at AMP. Maybe that will cause me to change my mind. Doubt it. But who knows.
Still, though, I am ordering a manual .2 GT3. Figure best of both worlds. Also, truth be told, if .2 GT3 was PDK only, I probably wouldn't feel conpelled to upgrade despite the 4.0 and other tweaks, so great already is the current .1 GT3.
Honestly, if I could justify the expense, I'd probably keep both to have one PDK-S and one manual GT3.
I dont track, but will be doing the Smokies GT event next month which includes a track day at AMP. Maybe that will cause me to change my mind. Doubt it. But who knows.
#26
Nordschleife Master
Fascinating results - data has stuck right around 55% to 60% PDK converts through the whole poll. You have to assume that rennlist is representative of the most hardcore of the true enthusiasts, and porsche converted more than half of us to PDK? Pretty amazing, and says a lot about the fun factor of PDK. I HATE autos. If my only choice had been tiptronic, I would've bought another brand.
#27
Rennlist Member
Huge manual transmission fan, and after the "forced" PDK-S, I truly don't know which I'm going to choose. I feel like the PDK is the transmission that the engineers intended for the car. It comes with the trick diff and the most performance. I also feel like the GT3 is my driver's car, and it shouldn't necessarily have to be the fastest; it's more about the experience and the theatre of the drive. I have my turbo for face flattening power, and this may be the end of the manual GT cars.
It is a decision that I lie awake at night wondering about, and that in itself is a fun experience, I think. The reviews will surely sway my final decision, but I'm certain I will be thrilled with either option in the end.
It is a decision that I lie awake at night wondering about, and that in itself is a fun experience, I think. The reviews will surely sway my final decision, but I'm certain I will be thrilled with either option in the end.
#28
Nordschleife Master
PDK for me since I use these cars as track toys.
I would pick manual if I didn't track them, but then again, I wouldn't buy this type of car if I didn't track it. Street driving is so mundane, having something to do with your left foot and right hand makes it a bit more interesting.
I've discovered that most 'hardcore' manual guys actually have no clue how to heel toe or suck at it. When they actually nail the blip once in a while, it's somehow 'magical'. If you really know how to heel/toe, it's muscle memory at that point. It adds nothing to the experience. My level of 'involvement' is no different between a manual or pdk on track. Shifting takes up minuscule bandwith. It's the application of the brake, throttle, and the steering wheel in a corner that really takes up all the bandwith. Shifting is done in straight line before the corner. Not much going on then.
I would pick manual if I didn't track them, but then again, I wouldn't buy this type of car if I didn't track it. Street driving is so mundane, having something to do with your left foot and right hand makes it a bit more interesting.
I've discovered that most 'hardcore' manual guys actually have no clue how to heel toe or suck at it. When they actually nail the blip once in a while, it's somehow 'magical'. If you really know how to heel/toe, it's muscle memory at that point. It adds nothing to the experience. My level of 'involvement' is no different between a manual or pdk on track. Shifting takes up minuscule bandwith. It's the application of the brake, throttle, and the steering wheel in a corner that really takes up all the bandwith. Shifting is done in straight line before the corner. Not much going on then.
#29
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
PDK
A MT simply neuters the quiddity of the GT3 (and RS).
A MT simply neuters the quiddity of the GT3 (and RS).
#30
Drifting
^I need one of those neutered 4.0 RS in my life...