Originally Posted by 911dude41

Agree that the 991.1 is a bit dated in regards to the PCM. The 991.2 PCM while the same size has a higher screen resolution on the PCM and the MFD (multi function display) and a faster processor. It's night and day difference. Depending on if the 991.2 has the internet module updated (free or discounted from porsche) it will also have google earth and traffic updates which is neat. The navigation in the 991.2 is actually really good compared to other OE navigations which give you strange routes and directions. It saved my butt once when I was in the middle of nowhere with no phone signal on 30 miles of range left for fuel while being stuck on a desolate highway that was backed up for miles due to an accident.

Tires alone will transform the 991 TTS and with exhaust/tune its still faster than nearly everything out there. Modifications make drastic differences on the platform and elevate the experience greatly. My 991.2 TTS would pull away from a Tesla plaid slightly for the first two gears whether launching or from a 1st gear roll. Plaid would start coming back and pass in 3rd and into 4th with the TTS stopping the gap and eventually creeping back but that was deep into triple digit speeds. It wouldn't give an inch from a roll or dig against any other EV or highly modified cars that had very responsive supercharged/turbocharged V8's.

They most certainly have gone down the luxury route, especially as every new generation rolls out but it still has it's own unique lux experience. The Turbo S is vastly underrated by us Porsche folks as whacky as that may sound. Every 911 made is truly a destined classic car. The 991.2 TTS is the sweet spot IMO when it comes to choosing anywhere from 997-992 911 Turbo.

Originally Posted by driver69

That is very encouraging. I'm thinking about Stage 1 (+70PS/100nM) and an exhaust to keep it within the "safe" window and not kill the engine+gearbox outright.

Originally Posted by 911dude41

Agree that the 991.1 is a bit dated in regards to the PCM. The 991.2 PCM while the same size has a higher screen resolution on the PCM and the MFD (multi function display) and a faster processor. It's night and day difference. Depending on if the 991.2 has the internet module updated (free or discounted from porsche) it will also have google earth and traffic updates which is neat. The navigation in the 991.2 is actually really good compared to other OE navigations which give you strange routes and directions. It saved my butt once when I was in the middle of nowhere with no phone signal on 30 miles of range left for fuel while being stuck on a desolate highway that was backed up for miles due to an accident.

Tires alone will transform the 991 TTS and with exhaust/tune its still faster than nearly everything out there. Modifications make drastic differences on the platform and elevate the experience greatly. My 991.2 TTS would pull away from a Tesla plaid slightly for the first two gears whether launching or from a 1st gear roll. Plaid would start coming back and pass in 3rd and into 4th with the TTS stopping the gap and eventually creeping back but that was deep into triple digit speeds. It wouldn't give an inch from a roll or dig against any other EV or highly modified cars that had very responsive supercharged/turbocharged V8's.

They most certainly have gone down the luxury route, especially as every new generation rolls out but it still has it's own unique lux experience. The Turbo S is vastly underrated by us Porsche folks as whacky as that may sound. Every 911 made is truly a destined classic car. The 991.2 TTS is the sweet spot IMO when it comes to choosing anywhere from 997-992 911 Turbo.

Originally Posted by NF4710

We will have to disagree on the .2 navigation. Coming from a Taycan it also feels ancient. Tiny screen, slow, and the navigation is quite poor. From what I have seen mods for the turbo models make them faster but seldom more engaging. They are cars for folks like yourself who are interested in absolute max performance (which is totally fine but not a priority for all). You can start up a Taycan and blast away with peak torque. A turbo will have to warm up for 15 minutes before you can use it's peak power. For most people that means your peak performance isn't even available for most of your commute. Again, I own a 991 and love ICE cars including 911 turbos....but for a daily driver I actually think a .2 turbo is a step down from a taycan turbo for 99.9% of people.

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Originally Posted by NF4710

We will have to disagree on the .2 navigation. Coming from a Taycan it also feels ancient. Tiny screen, slow, and the navigation is quite poor. From what I have seen mods for the turbo models make them faster but seldom more engaging. They are cars for folks like yourself who are interested in absolute max performance (which is totally fine but not a priority for all). You can start up a Taycan and blast away with peak torque. A turbo will have to warm up for 15 minutes before you can use it's peak power. For most people that means your peak performance isn't even available for most of your commute. Again, I own a 991 and love ICE cars including 911 turbos....but for a daily driver I actually think a .2 turbo is a step down from a taycan turbo for 99.9% of people.

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Originally Posted by ipse dixit

I see your Taycan and raise you a M5 CS.

That might be favorite four door car under 200k.

Originally Posted by driver69

I’m fine with ICE performance differences, it’s part of the experience and I think I’ll get used to those. I’m starting to feel like EVs can be compared to paper cups - they’re good while they last, a used 22’ Taycan TS is significantly cheaper than a 17’ 991.2 TTS, even though price new was almost similar. Navigation - as long as Apple car play works I’m fine, I don’t use the inbuilt one on the Taycan anyways because it’s useless. My worry for now is ground clearance. Taycan can lift the whole thing up in a matter of seconds and get 14cm, 991 is about 3cm lower than that but has FAL, but considering it has a shorter wheelbase I suspect it should not be a problem.

Originally Posted by 911dude41

I literally used FAL a handful of times. It was used more often to show people how it worked.

Originally Posted by d00d

I found the M5 handling lacking, revealing its low cost platform origin, my several generations old S8 handles better.

Originally Posted by daveo4porsche

I'll humbly and 100% respectfully disagree - not for me - but 100% validate your opinion and your _RIGHT_ to have that opinion - I find the Taycan better looking and I'll take it's effortless smooth performance and low CG over the earnest power of any ICE sports sedan w/8 speed transmission…

but _IF_ there was no Taycan - I think I'd have to agree 100%

I will however lust after BMW's phone-as-a-key and superior "tech" vs. Porsche's driving chops and adequate tech that needs some improvement - but the M5 CS would not be a swap for me personally vs. my Taycan Turbo - but I can fully understand that may not be true for others and it _IS_ a worthy alternative.

thanks for pointing this out - I haven't been keeping up with ICE sport sedans- and this bad boy _IS_ an option if you want to go that way - I enjoy'd reading about it - and when I'm back in mid sept. I may try and wrangle a test drive - may be a visit to the BMW driving school near palm springs to get a better picture.

thanks again for pointintg it out! It's so awesome to have choices.