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Old 12-22-2019, 08:11 AM
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Oh.. I see, didn't think you would need to do that, doesn't the battery only start the car only?
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Great pics! What's the cable going inside the frunk?
Standard CTEK 12V charger. I'm not sure how the power works on this thing but as a floor demo, they had the headlights (or at least the driver lights) and the dash electronics all powered up.
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I see, thanks, was curious, still crazy we still need a 12 volt battery, but I get it
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How did you like the Neodyme trim? debating that and the dark silver.


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Did you all see the Smoking Tire review where in 17 miles in sports plus mode, Matt used up 40% of the battery?

I get it, don't drive around in sports plus with A/C all the time and you'll achieve a better range...but still...that's pretty disappointing results IMO.


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From the video (at around 4:30), after using up 64% of the battery, they had 74 miles left, implying that they were running at a 206 range so not sure how that 40% in 17 miles works out

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Here are a few poor cell phone shots I took at my local dealer. Was not expecting there to be one in person. Looked very low to the ground, very similar proportions to a 4 door 911. Even these rims look good in person. Huge fan after seeing it in person, will go back another day to test out the back seats for comfort.




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Originally Posted by Cpoarchy
I see, thanks, was curious, still crazy we still need a 12 volt battery, but I get it
The majority of the ancillary systems are still powered by 12v, since they are sourced through typical Tier 1 suppliers. Windows, lights, displays, etc. All that requires 12v. which means you've got to have a battery.
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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf
The majority of the ancillary systems are still powered by 12v, since they are sourced through typical Tier 1 suppliers. Windows, lights, displays, etc. All that requires 12v. which means you've got to have a battery.
that’s .... sad.
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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf
The majority of the ancillary systems are still powered by 12v, since they are sourced through typical Tier 1 suppliers. Windows, lights, displays, etc. All that requires 12v. which means you've got to have a battery.
So.....we are saying, a conventional 12V batt of some kind....and, how does the car keep it charged? Also an alternator?
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So.....we are saying, a conventional 12V batt of some kind....and, how does the car keep it charged? Also an alternator?
There is a DC-DC converter in EVs that provides power to the 12V system from the HV battery pack. Like an alternator, it also keeps the 12V battery charged. Typically the 12V battery is also trickle charged when the car is plugged in.

A critical function of the 12V system is to 'boot' the car during power-up. Not only the computers and whatnot, but also to turn on the high voltage contactor inside the battery pack to allow HV power outside the pack.

It really shows a lack of clue to run a separate 12V battery tender. They should just plug in the normal charge cord.
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Most are motorcycle type batteries that are charged when the main battery is charging. The cars in general already have a dc to dc capability, but for safety and convenience, need an ancillary 12v battery. These batteries have a typical life of 4-5 years and when they die, the car is immobilized.
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Originally Posted by 4pipes
Most are motorcycle type batteries that are charged when the main battery is charging. The cars in general already have a dc to dc capability, but for safety and convenience, need an ancillary 12v battery. These batteries have a typical life of 4-5 years and when they die, the car is immobilized.
True - the 12V batteries are typically small lead-acid AGM. So yes - they do get weak and go bad after some years. You'll hear stories of folks who have parked their car at the airport for a few weeks, not plugged in, that will find their cars unable to start up - just like any ICE car. A quick jump turns on the HV pack - which then charges the 12V battery. Some folks keep a small, separate, 12V Li-ion jumper battery stowed in the car "just in case".


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