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Old 02-14-2022, 04:49 PM
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Hi Guys,

Any cleaning lady info on the ST regarding design elements and release date?

My dealer knows nothing about it and thinks I am referring to the sports classic.

I was thinking 3RS engine with a manual and retro styling inc a ducktail. If correct this is my dream car of all the 992 platform.

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Picked up S/T in Leipzig, made it down to Austria, so 2/3rds break in completed in a little over 24 hours.

Some thoughts: my god what a machine. Of course I bought it so would think that right? But Porsche fixed the things that irked me on my 992 GT3. Gone is darty front end that went anywhere on a whim based upon pavement imperfections. Gone is the overly stiff suspension that beat you up if you dared drive it on anything but perfect pavement or race tracks, this thing just swallows pavement imperfections without upsetting the car. But despite these improvements, they cranked up the mechanical noises and sensations so you end up with a better ride but a more alive experience. Win win for a street car.

And best of all, the steering. It’s so good, best EPAS I have experienced in my opinion, almost feels hydraulic. GT cars steering has become lighter and lighter over the years, while still accurate. ST loads pressure through the steering wheel during turns unlike any other GT products, the sensation of feeling front tires/road through steering wheel stunning.

Not sure why reviewers were so freaked out by the LWFW, it’s easy to modulate. Never once did I think it was more challenging to manage, but maybe it’s due to time spent on racetrack. The extra noise in the car is present, but quieter than i expected.

it’s not as loud as I expected inside the car. My 4RS is much louder, last summer during ED with my 4RS we had to wear ear plugs on the Autobahns, when that car reaches 5k rpms it’s just too loud to handle for more than short bursts. S/T cruising on the Autobahns at 130 mph was not overly loud, and even then it was more tire noise, I didn’t reach for the ear plugs.

wonderful car, absolutely worth the premium over a touring for the changes made, it’s not just the LWFW, In the usual Porche fashion they have massaged and tweaked things to improve so many aspects of the car to make it truly unique. anyone getting this thing is going to be pleasantly surprised.

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Originally Posted by BrntRubber
Hi Guys,

Any cleaning lady info on the ST regarding design elements and release date?

My dealer knows nothing about it and thinks I am referring to the sports classic.

I was thinking 3RS engine with a manual and retro styling inc a ducktail. If correct this is my dream car of all the 992 platform.

Thanks
The original 911ST had no wing (not even duck), so I assume only ducktail on the Sport Classic and the 50th Anniversary Carrera RS (maybe).

I think the ST will be sorta like a GT3 RS (widebody 4.2L) Touring (just electric retracting decklid wing) with Manual. Just guessing...


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Originally Posted by GrantG
The original 911ST had no wing (not even duck), so I assume only ducktail on the Sport Classic and the 50th Anniversary Carrera RS (maybe).

I think the ST will be sorta like a GT3 RS (widebody 4.2L) Touring (just electric retracting decklid wing) with Manual. Just guessing...
Thanks for chiming in GrantG!

Sounds amazing! I would much prefer an ST to a sports classic. Do you think it will be released before or after the 3RS?

Regarding the SC, I can guess the price tag on a SC and don't think that proposition at that price is too appealing even if just approx 2k cars are being built. Manual RWD Turbo car is cool but assuming it is 30% more than a touring, I would prefer a touring. Do you think the SC will have rear seats?
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My *guess* is the SC will have rear seats. It's not really a GT car.
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Unless you blow your nose with $5 bills and wipe your **** with dollar bills, you're probably not getting an ST, even with an ADM.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Unless you blow your nose with $5 bills and wipe your **** with dollar bills, you're probably not getting an ST, even with an ADM.
I am a long standing good customer and believe I have a good chance at getting an ST. This is why I am trying to understand the timings and design details etc. I am even considering giving up my allocation for the SC should it be offered to try and secure an ST.

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The safest way to ensure you have an allocation for the 911ST is if you have a long standing relationship directly with PAG or PCNA. If the allocation process is like the 911R, your dealer will have no say or power on allocations. The cars will be assigned directly from the PCNA/PAG level. While I am certain that the 911ST will be produced in more quantity than the 911R, I am also certain that the demand for the ST will be just as much as the R if not greater since Porsche have more customers than before.
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+1. Best way for a non VIP to that is go racing with Porsche.
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Originally Posted by unotaz
The safest way to ensure you have an allocation for the 911ST is if you have a long standing relationship directly with PAG or PCNA. If the allocation process is like the 911R, your dealer will have no say or power on allocations. The cars will be assigned directly from the PCNA/PAG level. While I am certain that the 911ST will be produced in more quantity than the 911R, I am also certain that the demand for the ST will be just as much as the R if not greater since Porsche have more customers than before.
You’re correct PAG has contacted my ex-coworker, and of course he said yes pretty much to all that’s coming out. Dealer had nothing to do with any of the communications.
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I look forward to the 992 ST to keep my old 911 ST company


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Originally Posted by rickman_fr
I look forward to the 992 ST to keep my old 911 ST company

Beautiful - can you share any specs and details?
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Built on the basis of a 1972 Porsche 2.4 T, painted limegreen with indianred bumpers, olivegreen wings and lightivory decoration. No stickers !

the engine is mechanical injection, twin ignition with a displacement of 3.4 and delivers around 340 hp on the dyno at 6900 and the rew limiter is close to 8 000. the distribution is in titanium. The gearbox is a 915 with shortshifter and a limited-slip differential.

A double front/rear adjustment brake system is present and the calipers are those of the 930 turbo.

... almost 5 years of tough work
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+1. Best way for a non VIP to that is go racing with Porsche.

As in going through the track experience classes at Barber? or buying a seat? or buying a motorsports car (I thought the two were unrelated)?
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Originally Posted by rickman_fr
Built on the basis of a 1972 Porsche 2.4 T, painted limegreen with indianred bumpers, olivegreen wings and lightivory decoration. No stickers !

the engine is mechanical injection, twin ignition with a displacement of 3.4 and delivers around 340 hp on the dyno at 6900 and the rew limiter is close to 8 000. the distribution is in titanium. The gearbox is a 915 with shortshifter and a limited-slip differential.

A double front/rear adjustment brake system is present and the calipers are those of the 930 turbo.

... almost 5 years of tough work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR6oxl-BEqE
That's great!

I'm in the process of upgrading my engine in my 73 to 2.9L high compression on Magnesium case, lightweight billet crank, pistons, and rods with twin-plug ignition and keeping Bosch Mechanical Injection. Won't have nearly the push of yours, but it's a pretty light car with custom short/close ratios (915 with all the WEVO mods and Guard LSD).

Edit - just watched your video - looks like high-butterfly version of MFI

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Old 02-15-2022, 04:15 PM
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@unotaz @signes @Maverick787 Thanks for sharing the insights!

I am not a VIP and don’t have a direct relationship with PAG or PCNA (trying to change that with buying a 718 GT4 RS Clubsport when available).

Probably too late now to get in on the ST? Bought a 911R previously probably doesn’t help.


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