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The original question was for the 2019 model. The 2019s did not have any GPF, and the manual specifies A40 oil, not C40. Same for 2020 models. For North American cars, C40 started with 2021 model year AFAIK. So just use 0W40 FS.
Just checked the manual for my 2020 Turbo, on page 109 it specifies C40 (not A40) for the 4.0L engine. Furthermore, the manual states "For information on the correct engine oil, contact an authorized Porsche dealer. If engine oil need to be added, use this engine oil." Checked under the hood, and the sticker says use Mobil 1 with no other details. A few days back, I checked the Mobil 1 web site, for specs, and it wasn't much help -- about the same amount of help using their oil selector, got the same results as others, that there is no Mobil 1 oil that meets the requirements of my 2020 Turbo. Doubt that's true.
Dealer used Mobil 1 ESP X3 according to the service advisor though invoice shows Mobil 1 ESP for the oil change.
I do want to add to this discussion that the C40 oil also provides protection from low speed pre-ignition which is a must on any direct injected engine that has forced induction.
The A40 oil for sure does not provide protection from LSPI. The big difference is between the oils is the level of detergency and the type of detergents used. The #1 culprit for LSPI is high levels of Ca detergents as well as the presence of any Na detergents. The A40 oil has way too much Ca detergents.
Also, not sure the info about ESP X3 being called ESP in North America is correct - the spec sheets of European ESP X3 and North American ESP are very different, so it does not look like the same oil (https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/...formula-0w-40/ and https://www.mobil.com/en-de/passenge...-1-esp-x3-0w40 - note how the latter one has slightly better high-temp and high-sheer viscosity ratings). It could be that Mobil still has an older spec sheet on the North American site, though.
Thank you MaxLTV for the links. The ESP vs ESP X3 blurb was off of my website. It turns out the marketing info I was given was inaccurate. I wrote that in September 2020 and seems like Mobil released the current spec sheet October 2020. I have added a correction to the article.
Just checked the manual for my 2020 Turbo, on page 109 it specifies C40 (not A40) for the 4.0L engine. Furthermore, the manual states "For information on the correct engine oil, contact an authorized Porsche dealer. If engine oil need to be added, use this engine oil." Checked under the hood, and the sticker says use Mobil 1 with no other details. A few days back, I checked the Mobil 1 web site, for specs, and it wasn't much help -- about the same amount of help using their oil selector, got the same results as others, that there is no Mobil 1 oil that meets the requirements of my 2020 Turbo. Doubt that's true.
Dealer used Mobil 1 ESP according to the invoice for the oil change.
I corrected my post - even despite no GPFs, C40 is recommended prior to 2021.
So now it’s clear that ESP (aka SAE-ESP aka ESP X2) is not the same as ESP X3. But is X2 with its DEXOS2 approval closer to X3 and better to use on new vehicles than the black label FS since it has some remediation for LSPI?
So now it’s clear that ESP (aka SAE-ESP aka ESP X2) is not the same as ESP X3. But is X2 with its DEXOS2 approval closer to X3 and better to use on new vehicles than the black label FS since it has some remediation for LSPI?
If the ESP/X2 has DEXOS2 approval, it is for sure formulated to prevent LSPI and would indeed be better in a pinch than the A40 oil as long as the correct viscosity is used.
A follow up from my 1st service. I told my SA that I didn't want Pennzoil, that I wasn't aware of a formulation that met spec. She indicated that was okay, that they would use Mobil 1. When I picked up the car yesterday, she indicated that I was right, there isn't a Pennzoil that is approved.
So make sure you're getting the proper oil during service.
Thanks to all for the education.
Short answer: Check page 117 of your owner’s manual. It calls for oil meeting the new C40 oil specification. Mobil1 ESP X3 0W-40 was developed in cooperation with Porsche to meet this specification: https://www.mobil.com/en-de/passenge...-1-esp-x3-0w40
It can be ordered in a 1L size bottle at any authorized Porsche dealer parts counter with the part number 000 043 210 93. Sunset Porsche has it available here: https://www.sunsetporscheparts.com/o...1l-00004321093
Long answer: In November 2018 Porsche released a statement indicating all new Porsche models with gasoline engines will be successively outfitted with particulate filters, with six- and eight-cylinder models receiving two filters, one for each cylinder block. https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/inno...388-16349.html
Subsequent correspondence with PCNA shows this currently applies only to the 4.0L V-8. (EDIT: PCNA may have been referring to the 4.0L F-6 in the 718) See post #46 here: https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...-some-oil.html
This thread also describes the difficulty in finding this oil at local retailers.
These particulate filters are susceptible to damage and clogging from the previous A-40 spec oils. Therefore, Porsche consulted with Mobil 1 to develop an oil that not only provides protection against LSPI, or low speed pre-ignition, but protects the catalytic converters and particulate filters. That new “C” specification is incorporated into Mobile 1 ESP X3 0W-40.
Although Porsche places a sticker in the engine compartment recommending Mobile 1, other manufacturers meet the Porsche C40 / VW 511 00 spec. Tip o’ the hat to Steve9 for his post:
Good luck!
To confirm for anyone that may be asking, on the 9Y0 GTS, the manual calls for the same C40 oil.
Just had the oil changed on wife’s Turbo. Although the service guy didn’t know what C40 oil was, I had him check with the manager to verify they indeed had bulk C40 oil prior to making the appointment. While waiting, I went to the parts department to grab a couple spare liters for later top-offs. Part # 000 043 210 93.
I learned a few things while discussing this oil with the parts guys. It is in short supply. They only had seven liters on hand, now just five. They have just found a new source for this oil and expect the price to come down.
It is difficult to see the “X3” part of the name on the label; I thought they were trying to sell me regular ESP. He pointed out the tiny X3 on the label (circled, below). He also said to look for the green cap to differentiate the X3. Regular ESP has a gray cap. Also, the back label (in German) will specify the Porsche C40 spec.
The good news is is that the 11 liters of bulk oil used for the oil change costs just $9.70 per liter. The bad news is the total cost for an oil change was $588.79. Still worth it!
EDIT: See Post #40 from dasams for picture of Mobil’s new retail bottle with different label and GRAY cap. Price decreased to about $10. 👍🏼
Looks like they used 0w40 on our '19 2.9S for the last oil change. Anyone aware of the difference between C30 and C40 other than viscosity grade?
I remember reading somewhere that C30 spec is compatible with materials on cylinder liners due to lower Ca content...(along with addressing newest particulate filters)
Looks like they used 0w40 on our '19 2.9S for the last oil change. Anyone aware of the difference between C30 and C40 other than viscosity grade?
I remember reading somewhere that C30 spec is compatible with materials on cylinder liners due to lower Ca content...(along with addressing newest particulate filters)
I’m wondering what spec that 0W40 was. Likely it was A40 since that is the go-to bulk oil used for many Porsches. This oil is incompatible with your engine in both viscosity AND specification. You may wish to have a talk with your mechanic and have your oil replaced with C30 — free of charge. Same thinking applies if they used C40 spec oil. The Mobile website states that:
Mobil 1 ESP X3 0W-40 can only be used in the vehicles for which it is approved. It is not backward compatible with vehicle engines requiring an A40, C30 or C20. https://www.mobil.com/en-se/passenge...-1-esp-x3-0w40
The C30 specification has been around for a while and was introduced primarily for the 2013-2018 3.0L Cayenne Diesel engine. The oil played well with the diesel particulate filters used to meet emissions standards. (Or not ). Since 2018, Porsche also recommends C30 for the 2.9L V6 presumably because it plays well with the gasoline particulate filters used with this engine.
The C20 and C40 spec is newer and was developed for use in 2019 and newer Porsche engines.
Looks like they used 0w40 on our '19 2.9S for the last oil change. Anyone aware of the difference between C30 and C40 other than viscosity grade?
I remember reading somewhere that C30 spec is compatible with materials on cylinder liners due to lower Ca content...(along with addressing newest particulate filters)
Comparing the A40 spec oils to the C20, C30, and C40 oils the biggest change is the detergency. They had to lower the calcium detergents significantly to provide protection against LSPI (low speed pre-ignition) common to direct injected engines with forced induction. The difference is the the CXX oils have to meet ACEA C2/C3 specifications for sulfated ash with not to exceed an average 0.72 (mass %) which in layman's terms means they had to reduce the ZDDP levels.
On the plus side, it would appear that they have increased the HTHS viscosity of the C40 Mobil 1 product versus Mobil's A40 approved 0w40 oil.
The SUMEbore coated cylinders don't really need anything special when it comes to oil formulation. As previously mentioned, the particulate filters are sensitive to the sulfated ash. Same reason why diesel fuels are all ultra low sulfur to protect their emission control systems.
04-12-2021, 10:25 AM
). Since 2018, Porsche also recommends C30 for the 2.9L V6 presumably because it plays well with the gasoline particulate filters used with this engine.