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10-18-2015, 09:35 AM
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Drifting
Shall we build a similar list for the Ontario Liberals? It would be twice as long and the wasteful $ grand total at the end would be absolutely disgusting. That is precisely why a Liberal will never get my vote either at the Federal or Provincial level.
Each of us shares a differing opinion on the matter of who should lead this country and who has done a good job in the past. Tomorrow each of us can put pen to paper and vote based our opinion and that is one of the many reasons I give thanks everyday for being Canadian!
Each of us shares a differing opinion on the matter of who should lead this country and who has done a good job in the past. Tomorrow each of us can put pen to paper and vote based our opinion and that is one of the many reasons I give thanks everyday for being Canadian!
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10-18-2015, 10:32 AM
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At a boy! ..... I'm the racist for openly saying that Trudeau targets his voters ! Ha!.....
I suppose we should also double the number of refugies Trudeau wants to admit into Canada.... otherwise he would also appear racist for not admitting as many as Germany per capita.That is really socially responsible for Canadians...... and here is the bill dear citizens....... (another tax hike in view)
His refugie policy is as self serving as you are when you call me a racist.
I guess the pressure is getting to you with Monday just around the corner...... get a hold of yourself.
I suppose we should also double the number of refugies Trudeau wants to admit into Canada.... otherwise he would also appear racist for not admitting as many as Germany per capita.That is really socially responsible for Canadians...... and here is the bill dear citizens....... (another tax hike in view)
His refugie policy is as self serving as you are when you call me a racist.
I guess the pressure is getting to you with Monday just around the corner...... get a hold of yourself.
10-18-2015, 10:35 AM
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Conservatives under Harper:
- Committed fraud in 4 straight elections (including this one)
- Did you read me? 4 straight elections. Convicted. I shouldn't have to proceed but ok.
- Put all of our economic investment into oil, which is now crashing.. which means...
- Steered us into a current recession. The only nation in the G7 experiencing a recession right now.
- Takes credit for surviving the 2008 crash yet it was policies that he rails against (regulation of financial institutions) that saved our economy.
- Takes credit as "the only PM who had CO2 emissions fall under his term" despite the fact it was the 2008 recession which caused a huge slowdown in economic activity and thus reduced emissions, NOT because of any policy he enacted. Is the only major country to pull out of the Kyoto protocol.
- Tens of party members arrested by the RCMP for various offenses
- Claims he doesn't know what's going on with these party members getting arrested and has plausible deniability; yet criticized Paul Martin in 2004 as party leader saying Martin MUST know what is happening within his own party; doubly hilarious when every insider says Harper has an iron-grip on his entire party and whatever they do, moreso than any PM possibly in the history of Canada.
- Institutes tax credits and loopholes for the wealthy (income splitting and a $10 500 TFSA limit are used by less than 10% of Canadians; mostly wealthy ones)
- Refuses to address our infrastructure deficit.
- $127 billion in deficits during his terms; yet touts fiscal responsibility. Understandable that some of it came as a result of the recession, but he should have been able to turn a surplus budget from 2006-2008 and 2012-2015 but he didn't. In fact the only balanced budget he attained was a result of slashing social programs and selling off GM stock, which lets GM off the hook from the Canadian government.
- Refuses to address income inequality even though economists say if left unaddressed it is a net drain on the economy (makes sense; the poorest people HAVE to spend their money regardless; a rich person just keeps accumulating more wealth)
- Muzzles scientists and tells them he has to approve whatever they say.
- Has failed to address veterans issues and slow to pull troops out of wars, leading to higher rates of suicide.
- Got rid of the long form census which provided invaluable data for municipalities to plan economically and socially. His own appointed Chief Statistician resigned over this crap.
- Has spent $750 million in partisan government ads but railed against the Liberals in 2002 for the AdScandal... which only cost us $100 million.
- Has no qualms with blatantly false attack ads which if were run by a corporation instead of a political party they would be sued into the ground for libel.
- Promotes division of Canadians on cultural issues leading to widespread racism in Canada (several Muslim women have been attacked for wearing niqabs since this whole debate was started by the Cons). Repeatedly pushes the buttons on the niqab issue even though it was already settled in court and literally only affects 2 people ever who took citizenship in Canada. I thought we had higher priorities, Stephen?
- Opposes ending FPTP system solely because it is the only way the Conservatives can win, even though in 1998 he wrote in opposition of it (back when he was in the Reform party that suffered from a lack of seats due to... FPTP!)
- Instituted bill C-51 which monitors everything Canadians do and bends the charter of rights and freedoms.
- Arrogant enough to change the naming of the Government of Canada to "The Harper Government"... I mean seriously?
- Broke his promises to reform the Senate.
- Stripped federal protection of 99% of our lakes and rivers... the kind of landscapes I personally enjoy while driving my Porsche in the summer
- Donated taxpayer money to the Republican party this year.
- Ran on a platform of government transparency in 2006 but has probably been the LEAST transparent government in the history of Canada. Refuses to answer questions from journalists other than ones he handpicks to ask him questions. Actually got an "award" for his silence towards the media.
- Harper and his supporters would have you believe Liberals and socialist parties are completely inept at handling budgets and the economy even though the Liberals presided over 10 straight years of surplus and unprecedented economic growth from 1993-2006 and like I said, Liberal policies of financial regulation are what saved Canada from huge losses in the 2008 crisis.
Keep on with the back-patting though, guys. Dang socialists! It's honestly kinda sickening to me to hear this kinda talk from this community, which I have held in very high regard for the constant support of other Rennlist members in the form of helping out with repairs, parts and transfer of beloved cars from one good home to another at free or cheap prices. But socialism, the extending of a hand to keep members of our country in good health and economic prosperity, is seen as devilish? And before you say "I'm against handouts for bums who refuse to get jobs, I don't care about helping them!", do you also assume the same for every anonymous rennlist user as well, or do you believe that this random stranger on the internet is probably a decent human being, as most of us are, and that's why we are willing to help them? Because statistically speaking, the vast majority of Canadians who receive government assistance really are trying their hardest to make their own way and are ashamed to get assistance. And we as humans intrinsically know this and assume this when we get to know someone for the first time, even strangers on the internet who are sharing a story about their car that can't possibly be verified.
And before you respond with vitriol to my post, please remember to stick to the facts. I invite you to disprove anything I just said. I left out a lot of things which are probably true but are pure conjecture or simple disagreement over what constitutes basic moral and human decency (ie investigating Aboriginal women deaths).
- Committed fraud in 4 straight elections (including this one)
- Did you read me? 4 straight elections. Convicted. I shouldn't have to proceed but ok.
- Put all of our economic investment into oil, which is now crashing.. which means...
- Steered us into a current recession. The only nation in the G7 experiencing a recession right now.
- Takes credit for surviving the 2008 crash yet it was policies that he rails against (regulation of financial institutions) that saved our economy.
- Takes credit as "the only PM who had CO2 emissions fall under his term" despite the fact it was the 2008 recession which caused a huge slowdown in economic activity and thus reduced emissions, NOT because of any policy he enacted. Is the only major country to pull out of the Kyoto protocol.
- Tens of party members arrested by the RCMP for various offenses
- Claims he doesn't know what's going on with these party members getting arrested and has plausible deniability; yet criticized Paul Martin in 2004 as party leader saying Martin MUST know what is happening within his own party; doubly hilarious when every insider says Harper has an iron-grip on his entire party and whatever they do, moreso than any PM possibly in the history of Canada.
- Institutes tax credits and loopholes for the wealthy (income splitting and a $10 500 TFSA limit are used by less than 10% of Canadians; mostly wealthy ones)
- Refuses to address our infrastructure deficit.
- $127 billion in deficits during his terms; yet touts fiscal responsibility. Understandable that some of it came as a result of the recession, but he should have been able to turn a surplus budget from 2006-2008 and 2012-2015 but he didn't. In fact the only balanced budget he attained was a result of slashing social programs and selling off GM stock, which lets GM off the hook from the Canadian government.
- Refuses to address income inequality even though economists say if left unaddressed it is a net drain on the economy (makes sense; the poorest people HAVE to spend their money regardless; a rich person just keeps accumulating more wealth)
- Muzzles scientists and tells them he has to approve whatever they say.
- Has failed to address veterans issues and slow to pull troops out of wars, leading to higher rates of suicide.
- Got rid of the long form census which provided invaluable data for municipalities to plan economically and socially. His own appointed Chief Statistician resigned over this crap.
- Has spent $750 million in partisan government ads but railed against the Liberals in 2002 for the AdScandal... which only cost us $100 million.
- Has no qualms with blatantly false attack ads which if were run by a corporation instead of a political party they would be sued into the ground for libel.
- Promotes division of Canadians on cultural issues leading to widespread racism in Canada (several Muslim women have been attacked for wearing niqabs since this whole debate was started by the Cons). Repeatedly pushes the buttons on the niqab issue even though it was already settled in court and literally only affects 2 people ever who took citizenship in Canada. I thought we had higher priorities, Stephen?
- Opposes ending FPTP system solely because it is the only way the Conservatives can win, even though in 1998 he wrote in opposition of it (back when he was in the Reform party that suffered from a lack of seats due to... FPTP!)
- Instituted bill C-51 which monitors everything Canadians do and bends the charter of rights and freedoms.
- Arrogant enough to change the naming of the Government of Canada to "The Harper Government"... I mean seriously?
- Broke his promises to reform the Senate.
- Stripped federal protection of 99% of our lakes and rivers... the kind of landscapes I personally enjoy while driving my Porsche in the summer
- Donated taxpayer money to the Republican party this year.
- Ran on a platform of government transparency in 2006 but has probably been the LEAST transparent government in the history of Canada. Refuses to answer questions from journalists other than ones he handpicks to ask him questions. Actually got an "award" for his silence towards the media.
- Harper and his supporters would have you believe Liberals and socialist parties are completely inept at handling budgets and the economy even though the Liberals presided over 10 straight years of surplus and unprecedented economic growth from 1993-2006 and like I said, Liberal policies of financial regulation are what saved Canada from huge losses in the 2008 crisis.
Keep on with the back-patting though, guys. Dang socialists! It's honestly kinda sickening to me to hear this kinda talk from this community, which I have held in very high regard for the constant support of other Rennlist members in the form of helping out with repairs, parts and transfer of beloved cars from one good home to another at free or cheap prices. But socialism, the extending of a hand to keep members of our country in good health and economic prosperity, is seen as devilish? And before you say "I'm against handouts for bums who refuse to get jobs, I don't care about helping them!", do you also assume the same for every anonymous rennlist user as well, or do you believe that this random stranger on the internet is probably a decent human being, as most of us are, and that's why we are willing to help them? Because statistically speaking, the vast majority of Canadians who receive government assistance really are trying their hardest to make their own way and are ashamed to get assistance. And we as humans intrinsically know this and assume this when we get to know someone for the first time, even strangers on the internet who are sharing a story about their car that can't possibly be verified.
And before you respond with vitriol to my post, please remember to stick to the facts. I invite you to disprove anything I just said. I left out a lot of things which are probably true but are pure conjecture or simple disagreement over what constitutes basic moral and human decency (ie investigating Aboriginal women deaths).
This is why you drive a 924
10-18-2015, 10:49 AM
#36
Good reading!
But let's keep our cars out of this! Cars and politics don't mix!!!! Only cars and coffee! 😜
But let's keep our cars out of this! Cars and politics don't mix!!!! Only cars and coffee! 😜
10-18-2015, 01:31 PM
#38
Don't forget Harper let 3G buy tims, shut down the Heinz plant and so on.
We need a party that will protect our country and corporate culture. Sadly that ship has likely sailed.
I vote we sell everything to Trump. At least he has some *****.
Flame suit on and ready.
We need a party that will protect our country and corporate culture. Sadly that ship has likely sailed.
I vote we sell everything to Trump. At least he has some *****.
Flame suit on and ready.
10-18-2015, 02:06 PM
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Conservatives under Harper:
- Committed fraud in 4 straight elections (including this one)
- Did you read me? 4 straight elections. Convicted. I shouldn't have to proceed but ok.
- Put all of our economic investment into oil, which is now crashing.. which means...
- Steered us into a current recession. The only nation in the G7 experiencing a recession right now.
- Takes credit for surviving the 2008 crash yet it was policies that he rails against (regulation of financial institutions) that saved our economy.
- Takes credit as "the only PM who had CO2 emissions fall under his term" despite the fact it was the 2008 recession which caused a huge slowdown in economic activity and thus reduced emissions, NOT because of any policy he enacted. Is the only major country to pull out of the Kyoto protocol.
- Tens of party members arrested by the RCMP for various offenses
- Claims he doesn't know what's going on with these party members getting arrested and has plausible deniability; yet criticized Paul Martin in 2004 as party leader saying Martin MUST know what is happening within his own party; doubly hilarious when every insider says Harper has an iron-grip on his entire party and whatever they do, moreso than any PM possibly in the history of Canada.
- Institutes tax credits and loopholes for the wealthy (income splitting and a $10 500 TFSA limit are used by less than 10% of Canadians; mostly wealthy ones)
- Refuses to address our infrastructure deficit.
- $127 billion in deficits during his terms; yet touts fiscal responsibility. Understandable that some of it came as a result of the recession, but he should have been able to turn a surplus budget from 2006-2008 and 2012-2015 but he didn't. In fact the only balanced budget he attained was a result of slashing social programs and selling off GM stock, which lets GM off the hook from the Canadian government.
- Refuses to address income inequality even though economists say if left unaddressed it is a net drain on the economy (makes sense; the poorest people HAVE to spend their money regardless; a rich person just keeps accumulating more wealth)
- Muzzles scientists and tells them he has to approve whatever they say.
- Has failed to address veterans issues and slow to pull troops out of wars, leading to higher rates of suicide.
- Got rid of the long form census which provided invaluable data for municipalities to plan economically and socially. His own appointed Chief Statistician resigned over this crap.
- Has spent $750 million in partisan government ads but railed against the Liberals in 2002 for the AdScandal... which only cost us $100 million.
- Has no qualms with blatantly false attack ads which if were run by a corporation instead of a political party they would be sued into the ground for libel.
- Promotes division of Canadians on cultural issues leading to widespread racism in Canada (several Muslim women have been attacked for wearing niqabs since this whole debate was started by the Cons). Repeatedly pushes the buttons on the niqab issue even though it was already settled in court and literally only affects 2 people ever who took citizenship in Canada. I thought we had higher priorities, Stephen?
- Opposes ending FPTP system solely because it is the only way the Conservatives can win, even though in 1998 he wrote in opposition of it (back when he was in the Reform party that suffered from a lack of seats due to... FPTP!)
- Instituted bill C-51 which monitors everything Canadians do and bends the charter of rights and freedoms.
- Arrogant enough to change the naming of the Government of Canada to "The Harper Government"... I mean seriously?
- Broke his promises to reform the Senate.
- Stripped federal protection of 99% of our lakes and rivers... the kind of landscapes I personally enjoy while driving my Porsche in the summer
- Donated taxpayer money to the Republican party this year.
- Ran on a platform of government transparency in 2006 but has probably been the LEAST transparent government in the history of Canada. Refuses to answer questions from journalists other than ones he handpicks to ask him questions. Actually got an "award" for his silence towards the media.
- Harper and his supporters would have you believe Liberals and socialist parties are completely inept at handling budgets and the economy even though the Liberals presided over 10 straight years of surplus and unprecedented economic growth from 1993-2006 and like I said, Liberal policies of financial regulation are what saved Canada from huge losses in the 2008 crisis.
Keep on with the back-patting though, guys. Dang socialists! It's honestly kinda sickening to me to hear this kinda talk from this community, which I have held in very high regard for the constant support of other Rennlist members in the form of helping out with repairs, parts and transfer of beloved cars from one good home to another at free or cheap prices. But socialism, the extending of a hand to keep members of our country in good health and economic prosperity, is seen as devilish? And before you say "I'm against handouts for bums who refuse to get jobs, I don't care about helping them!", do you also assume the same for every anonymous rennlist user as well, or do you believe that this random stranger on the internet is probably a decent human being, as most of us are, and that's why we are willing to help them? Because statistically speaking, the vast majority of Canadians who receive government assistance really are trying their hardest to make their own way and are ashamed to get assistance. And we as humans intrinsically know this and assume this when we get to know someone for the first time, even strangers on the internet who are sharing a story about their car that can't possibly be verified.
And before you respond with vitriol to my post, please remember to stick to the facts. I invite you to disprove anything I just said. I left out a lot of things which are probably true but are pure conjecture or simple disagreement over what constitutes basic moral and human decency (ie investigating Aboriginal women deaths).
- Committed fraud in 4 straight elections (including this one)
- Did you read me? 4 straight elections. Convicted. I shouldn't have to proceed but ok.
- Put all of our economic investment into oil, which is now crashing.. which means...
- Steered us into a current recession. The only nation in the G7 experiencing a recession right now.
- Takes credit for surviving the 2008 crash yet it was policies that he rails against (regulation of financial institutions) that saved our economy.
- Takes credit as "the only PM who had CO2 emissions fall under his term" despite the fact it was the 2008 recession which caused a huge slowdown in economic activity and thus reduced emissions, NOT because of any policy he enacted. Is the only major country to pull out of the Kyoto protocol.
- Tens of party members arrested by the RCMP for various offenses
- Claims he doesn't know what's going on with these party members getting arrested and has plausible deniability; yet criticized Paul Martin in 2004 as party leader saying Martin MUST know what is happening within his own party; doubly hilarious when every insider says Harper has an iron-grip on his entire party and whatever they do, moreso than any PM possibly in the history of Canada.
- Institutes tax credits and loopholes for the wealthy (income splitting and a $10 500 TFSA limit are used by less than 10% of Canadians; mostly wealthy ones)
- Refuses to address our infrastructure deficit.
- $127 billion in deficits during his terms; yet touts fiscal responsibility. Understandable that some of it came as a result of the recession, but he should have been able to turn a surplus budget from 2006-2008 and 2012-2015 but he didn't. In fact the only balanced budget he attained was a result of slashing social programs and selling off GM stock, which lets GM off the hook from the Canadian government.
- Refuses to address income inequality even though economists say if left unaddressed it is a net drain on the economy (makes sense; the poorest people HAVE to spend their money regardless; a rich person just keeps accumulating more wealth)
- Muzzles scientists and tells them he has to approve whatever they say.
- Has failed to address veterans issues and slow to pull troops out of wars, leading to higher rates of suicide.
- Got rid of the long form census which provided invaluable data for municipalities to plan economically and socially. His own appointed Chief Statistician resigned over this crap.
- Has spent $750 million in partisan government ads but railed against the Liberals in 2002 for the AdScandal... which only cost us $100 million.
- Has no qualms with blatantly false attack ads which if were run by a corporation instead of a political party they would be sued into the ground for libel.
- Promotes division of Canadians on cultural issues leading to widespread racism in Canada (several Muslim women have been attacked for wearing niqabs since this whole debate was started by the Cons). Repeatedly pushes the buttons on the niqab issue even though it was already settled in court and literally only affects 2 people ever who took citizenship in Canada. I thought we had higher priorities, Stephen?
- Opposes ending FPTP system solely because it is the only way the Conservatives can win, even though in 1998 he wrote in opposition of it (back when he was in the Reform party that suffered from a lack of seats due to... FPTP!)
- Instituted bill C-51 which monitors everything Canadians do and bends the charter of rights and freedoms.
- Arrogant enough to change the naming of the Government of Canada to "The Harper Government"... I mean seriously?
- Broke his promises to reform the Senate.
- Stripped federal protection of 99% of our lakes and rivers... the kind of landscapes I personally enjoy while driving my Porsche in the summer
- Donated taxpayer money to the Republican party this year.
- Ran on a platform of government transparency in 2006 but has probably been the LEAST transparent government in the history of Canada. Refuses to answer questions from journalists other than ones he handpicks to ask him questions. Actually got an "award" for his silence towards the media.
- Harper and his supporters would have you believe Liberals and socialist parties are completely inept at handling budgets and the economy even though the Liberals presided over 10 straight years of surplus and unprecedented economic growth from 1993-2006 and like I said, Liberal policies of financial regulation are what saved Canada from huge losses in the 2008 crisis.
Keep on with the back-patting though, guys. Dang socialists! It's honestly kinda sickening to me to hear this kinda talk from this community, which I have held in very high regard for the constant support of other Rennlist members in the form of helping out with repairs, parts and transfer of beloved cars from one good home to another at free or cheap prices. But socialism, the extending of a hand to keep members of our country in good health and economic prosperity, is seen as devilish? And before you say "I'm against handouts for bums who refuse to get jobs, I don't care about helping them!", do you also assume the same for every anonymous rennlist user as well, or do you believe that this random stranger on the internet is probably a decent human being, as most of us are, and that's why we are willing to help them? Because statistically speaking, the vast majority of Canadians who receive government assistance really are trying their hardest to make their own way and are ashamed to get assistance. And we as humans intrinsically know this and assume this when we get to know someone for the first time, even strangers on the internet who are sharing a story about their car that can't possibly be verified.
And before you respond with vitriol to my post, please remember to stick to the facts. I invite you to disprove anything I just said. I left out a lot of things which are probably true but are pure conjecture or simple disagreement over what constitutes basic moral and human decency (ie investigating Aboriginal women deaths).
1. "Election fraud" is a gross overstatement of truth and implies the Conservatives would not have won the last several elections without cheating. This is obviously false, although there certainly were financial irregularities (committed by members of all major parties, but admittedly mostly Conservatives) that deserve investigation and sanction. However none of this would change election outcomes meaningfully.
2. The stuff about "putting all our investment into oil" is utter nonsense; just demonstrably false opposition fabrication. Federal government investment in the oil industry has not increased under the Conservatives; it's been private industry that has made the investment. In any case, it's highly unlikely a Liberal or NDP government under the same circumstances would have chosen NOT to permit a similar expansion of the western Canadian oil industry.
3. The "stripped federal protection of river and waterways" thing is another fabrication. I suggest you look up the facts before posting on it.
4. We already know what has happened to missing and murdered Aboriginal women. The RCMP has released the stats. Over 90% of aboriginal women who are murdered are killed by (surprise!) aboriginal men. Unfortunately nobody really wants to discuss that in depth. An inquiry into the matter will certainly be a multi-year, billion dollar airing of grievances that changes absolutely nothing.
5. The "Harper Government" moniker is a product of the opposition, not the Conservatives. It's still officially called "The Government of Canada". Relax.
6. The first past the post electoral system has served Canada very well for nearly 150 years. Many people (me included) oppose changing it. One need only look at Australia or Israel to see that alternative schemes are prone to corruption and unstable coalition government in which marginal fringe parties often hold the balance of power. Give me a system that keeps the fringe on the fringe any time, and I include the old Reform party in that description. I didn't hear Liberals complaining about FPTP when it kept them in power during the Chretien years.
I have cherry picked a few examples of inaccuracies or outright falsehoods in your post. I could go on and on (you certainly did) but your post is simply too long and rambling to address all its shortcomings.
Like many Canadians, I haven't voted Liberal since Chretien. I would like to vote Liberal again, but will never, ever vote for a man who would be Prime Minister based only on his father's identity rather than his own merits. It dismays me that so many Canadians will; it smacks of monarchy. While I agree that the performance of the Conservative government over the last couple of terms leaves much to be desired and that Harper in particular has been disappointing it's very clear that you have swallowed the Liberal party line completely, and are either incapable of or too intellectually lazy to give political issues serious objective thought. In that sense you are the perfect Trudeau voter.
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10-18-2015, 02:34 PM
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Ontario Liberal's high electricity costs closed the Heinz plant among many others. They were warned a year ahead of time but took no notice. Liberal's alone are responsible for these manufacturing job losses. The lengthy negative dissertation regarding Conservative misdemeanours is pretty much irrelevant scuttle butt. All parties are burdened by various infractions, with the Liberals under Chretien being by far the most grievous. The real issue is that Trudeau will ruin Canada with high taxes, regulation and worst of all, green policies that have turned Ontario into a massively indebted have not province.
10-18-2015, 02:47 PM
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10-18-2015, 03:47 PM
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The Conservatives will lose because they governed only for their base instead of governing for all Canadians. They were in constant election mode for their whole mandate. This is why they have not been able to grow their share of the vote. The Nanos poll shows 71% of the people want change and change we will get Monday.
Their base is more rural, less likely to have both husband and wife working. Half of them most probably have never seen a woman in a niqab but they know they don't like it. Case in point, the niqab was about only two women. Harper lost twice in court but was appealing to the supreme court. Why? Because it was politically expedient to cater to our lowest instincts for a win.
They are the law and order party but stand tall with that crack addict Rob Ford. So much for principle when you are desperate.
I will vote Liberal at significant cost to me because of the 4% surtax. That being said, it will be worth it to get rid of these neanderthals.
I hope the loss is great enough that the progressives in the conservative party regain power and restore this once great party back to its' roots and send the Reformers home. Canada does not need the Tea Party light.
Their base is more rural, less likely to have both husband and wife working. Half of them most probably have never seen a woman in a niqab but they know they don't like it. Case in point, the niqab was about only two women. Harper lost twice in court but was appealing to the supreme court. Why? Because it was politically expedient to cater to our lowest instincts for a win.
They are the law and order party but stand tall with that crack addict Rob Ford. So much for principle when you are desperate.
I will vote Liberal at significant cost to me because of the 4% surtax. That being said, it will be worth it to get rid of these neanderthals.
I hope the loss is great enough that the progressives in the conservative party regain power and restore this once great party back to its' roots and send the Reformers home. Canada does not need the Tea Party light.
10-18-2015, 04:18 PM
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The Conservatives will lose because they governed only for their base instead of governing for all Canadians. They were in constant election mode for their whole mandate. This is why they have not been able to grow their share of the vote. The Nanos poll shows 71% of the people want change and change we will get Monday.
Their base is more rural, less likely to have both husband and wife working. Half of them most probably have never seen a woman in a niqab but they know they don't like it. Case in point, the niqab was about only two women. Harper lost twice in court but was appealing to the supreme court. Why? Because it was politically expedient to cater to our lowest instincts for a win.
They are the law and order party but stand tall with that crack addict Rob Ford. So much for principle when you are desperate.
I will vote Liberal at significant cost to me because of the 4% surtax. That being said, it will be worth it to get rid of these neanderthals.
I hope the loss is great enough that the progressives in the conservative party regain power and restore this once great party back to its' roots and send the Reformers home. Canada does not need the Tea Party light.
Their base is more rural, less likely to have both husband and wife working. Half of them most probably have never seen a woman in a niqab but they know they don't like it. Case in point, the niqab was about only two women. Harper lost twice in court but was appealing to the supreme court. Why? Because it was politically expedient to cater to our lowest instincts for a win.
They are the law and order party but stand tall with that crack addict Rob Ford. So much for principle when you are desperate.
I will vote Liberal at significant cost to me because of the 4% surtax. That being said, it will be worth it to get rid of these neanderthals.
I hope the loss is great enough that the progressives in the conservative party regain power and restore this once great party back to its' roots and send the Reformers home. Canada does not need the Tea Party light.
If you think the niqab issue is only about two women, or only about the niqab, you haven't given it much thought. It's about the larger issues surrounding large-scale Muslim immigration and its societal effects given certain of Islam's incompatibilities with western secular life. Like it or not, it's a debate we need to have. One need only to look at Europe and the effects of mass Muslim immigration in France, Sweden, and England to see why.
You are right about the law and order bit. The Conservatives are desperate, and it shows.
I also agree with you about the need for reform (note small r) in the Conservative party. I wish I could believe that the Liberals, (who had, and in my opinion still have, the same need) had reformed. Unfortunately the selection of Dion, then Ignatieff, then Trudeau as leaders suggests that instead they have opted for the leader who can put them back in power and at the trough the quickest. The scandal of recent days confirms this.
Much as Canada doesn't need the Tea Party Lite, nor do we need the dilettante
son of a bygone Prime Minister as the country's leader. If you think a 4% surtax is the worst Justin will do, you're a lot more optimistic than I.
10-18-2015, 04:45 PM
#44
Ontario Liberal's high electricity costs closed the Heinz plant among many others. They were warned a year ahead of time but took no notice. Liberal's alone are responsible for these manufacturing job losses. The lengthy negative dissertation regarding Conservative misdemeanours is pretty much irrelevant scuttle butt. All parties are burdened by various infractions, with the Liberals under Chretien being by far the most grievous. The real issue is that Trudeau will ruin Canada with high taxes, regulation and worst of all, green policies that have turned Ontario into a massively indebted have not province.
Besides the ad scandal, what other offenses did Chretien commit?
Regulation of what?
Green policies will pay off long term when we're not paying out the *** for overpriced fossil fuels as well as the long term health impacts of pollution.
"Liberal policies of financial regulation are what saved Canada from huge losses in the 2008 crisis."
Pick one thing? This is false and had nothing to do with Liberal policy. Most "in the know" would credit this to good leadership of the Canadian banks and an appropriate risk profile.
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Pick one thing? This is false and had nothing to do with Liberal policy. Most "in the know" would credit this to good leadership of the Canadian banks and an appropriate risk profile.
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To anyone who hasn't spent more than 5 minutes studying economics, what Justin is saying is that if you invest now in infrastructure and job creation, the long term benefits will be more Canadians working and thus paying taxes, as well as increased GDP and tax revenue from infrastructure investment. Which is exactly why he is running deficits in the short term. It was a poorly worded quote that I'm sure Justin regrets, but mostly because of people who can't think for themselves and investigate what he actually meant.
PS legalizing pot will bring in billions of tax revenue that the Liberal tax plan doesn't even include in its budget. It will also cut court costs and jail costs of non-violent drug offenders. If you don't believe me, look at Colorado and Oregon.