Yah, well I practice family and emergency medicine and common sense, as well as the evidence, clearly tells me that vaccines have nothing to do with autism. It is irresponsible to repeat that drivel and I have personally, along with several colleagues, seen children get very sick and die from diseases they likely would not have gotten if they had been vaccinated. The vaccinations we give children in Canada are safe and effective.



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[QUOTE=palmpalm;11965294]Yah, well I practice family and emergency medicine and common sense, as well as the evidence, clearly tells me that vaccines have nothing to do with autism. It is irresponsible to repeat that drivel and I have personally, along with several colleagues, seen children get very sick and die from diseases they likely would not have gotten if they had been vaccinated. The vaccinations we give children in Canada are safe and effective.



I'm not repeating anything, I am merely posing questions that may lead to different conclusions based upon Fact. I forwarded a link to world reknowned Professor of Medicine, at an Accredited University and his corresponding research in Adjuvants, and you call it
"Drivel"!

 

[QUOTE=TurboS;11965346]No, I called that crap about autism drivel. His work is legitimate and has nothing to do with idiots who think vaccines are bad. He himself, in the link you gave, says: "First of all, vaccines are very widespread, and I would like to clarify that I am definitely not against vaccines! Vaccines are the best medical development that humankind has had in the last 300 years, and have helped to bring about almost complete eradication of some viral diseases. However, it should be considered that when you give millions of people an active substance, and vaccines are active substances, then some may suffer from adverse events. After all, vaccines contain viral or synthetic particles emulsified in adjuvant, which is supposed to enhance the immune reaction. "


Yes, with certain vaccines, it is possible that several people in millions who get vaccines might have a problem from them, but even this is disputed. That is a statistically insignificant amount. Driving my car is way way way more dangerous and people take their children in their cars all the time. The vaccines we regularly give children are basically one of the safest medical interventions we have.

You have provided an excellent example of the lack of knowledge/understanding that lay people, and that includes Dr. Suzzanne Humphries (she is not a vaccines expert or an immunology expert) that leads people to be unnecessarily afraid of these vaccinations. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Do you actually think I would vaccinate my patients if I had any concerns whatsoever that I was doing them harm? I wouldn't. Neither would the vast majority of clinicians. Naturopathy/homeopathy/other quackery is just that, bull$#%^. If it works it would be incorporated into regular medical practice and if it doesn't work it isn't.

Here is a nice link talking about various components, since you have mentioned them: http://vec.chop.edu/service/vaccine-...e-ingredients/

Some good reading for the thinking/education lay-person: http://skepdic.com/antivaccination.html

And a list of common issues with common vaccines: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

 

[QUOTE=palmpalm;11965380]I also live in Richmond hill, and would gladly meet to discuss this further whenever it is convenient for you, and it will be my pleasure as a lay person with a lack of knowledge,
to disprove some of what you have learnt and accepted to be true in your medical training. I could post pictures or results on this forum, but I'd rather speak in person.

 

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I hear enough bullcrap from my anti-vaccine patients every day. This is not a gray area. This is black and white. The childhood vaccines we give in Canada are good and safe.

 

[QUOTE=palmpalm;11965454]I wasn't referring to vaccines.

 

[QUOTE=palmpalm;11965454]So in your no bullcrap professional medical opinion, what is the cause of the Autism epidemic?

Fyi I also mentioned ADD ADHD
Epilepsy Asthma Allergies as well, can't forget about those.

 

[QUOTE=TurboS;11965756]There is no autism epidemic. http://www.autcom.org/pdf/Epidemic.pdf
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cr...e-who-have-it/
http://autismmythbusters.com/general...tism-epidemic/
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...tism-epidemic/
http://archive.randi.org/site/index....-epidemic.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemi...nges_with_time
"The reported increase is largely attributable to changes in diagnostic practices, referral patterns, availability of services, age at diagnosis, and public awareness"

 

[QUOTE=palmpalm;11966065]So in your, No Bullcrap I am the "Professional" my Medical opinion supersedes other Medical Professionals opinions because they are quacks, even though they present Scientfic evidence to back up their assertions. You believe the Autism epidemic is due to the fact that we are better at diagnosing Autism and your reference is Wikipedia, The online open source encyclopedia that Anybody can contribute to. What a F'ing Fantastic Source!

Ofcourse there is no correlation to the Mercury and Aluminum ingested and affecting children's brains, Cumulative effects, OH NO, that can't be why.

Well if Wikipedia is your qualified source, please read two paragraphs down
Mentions Thimersol in vaccines....Where there is smoke there is Fire.

How about ADD ADHD Allergies Asthma Epilepsy, are we better at diagnosing those as well.

11% of school kids have ADD or ADHD are we better at diagnosing that as well,
Maybe we should consult Wikipedia!

http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/featu...adhd72013.html

Important findings from this study include:

More than 1 in 10 (11%) US school-aged children had received an ADHD diagnosis by a health care provider by 2011, as reported by parents.
6.4 million children reported by parents to have ever received a health care provider diagnosis of ADHD , including:

1 in 5 high school boys
1 in 11 high school girls

Those are some Scary Stats, Wikipedia Doc....

 

If you actually believe all that crap then you're an idiot and I give up. I don't argue with fools.

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Are we better at diagnosing Autoimmune diseases as well? I'm sure there's no correlation, there never is when you believe in Idiotpathic Medicine.

"The Western Disease": A Rising Epidemic Underrecognized and Underaddressed

Even as autoimmune diseases remain underrecognized and underaddressed, the number of patients afflicted with these illnesses has been steadily growing. Yet few of today's practicing physicians are aware of the escalating tsunami of epidemiological evidence that now concerns top scientists at every major research institute around the world: evidence that autoimmune diseases such as lupus, MS, scleroderma, and many others are on the rise and have been for the past four decades in industrialized countries around the world.

Mayo Clinic researchers report that the incidence of lupus has nearly tripled in the United States over the past four decades. Their findings are all the more alarming when you consider that their research has been conducted among a primarily white population at a time when many researchers believe lupus rates are rising most significantly among African Americans.

Over the past fifty years multiple sclerosis rates have tripled in Finland. Rates have likewise been rising in Scotland, England, the Netherlands, Denmark, and Sweden, where the number of people with MS has been rising at nearly 3 percent a year. Multiple sclerosis rates in Norway have risen 30 percent since 1963, echoing trends in Germany, Italy, and Greece, where MS rates have doubled over the past thirty to forty years.

Rates of type 1 diabetes are perhaps the most telling. Data over the past forty years show that type 1 diabetes, a disease in which immune cells attack the insulin-producing beta cells in the pancreas, has increased fivefold. The story regarding childhood-onset type 1 diabetes is more disturbing. Studies show that the number of children with type 1 diabetes is skyrocketing, with rates increasing 6 percent a year in children four and under and 4 percent in children aged 10 to 14.

Rates of numerous other autoimmune diseases -- scleroderma, Crohn's disease, autoimmune Addison's disease, and polymyositis -- show the same alarming pattern.

 

Notwithstanding Jenny McCarthy's anti-vaccine ramblings above, my kids are aged 6 and 8 and the vast majority of my friends have kids in the same age range. I don't know of one case of autism in any of them. What is this epidemic? As for ADHD, when I was growing up, nobody got diagnosed with ADHD. If you were having trouble in school, you were told you were lazy and told to shape up. Today, every parent is worried their kid has ADHD if a teacher says they are having trouble "focussing" at school.

 

[QUOTE=palmpalm;11966190]If you actually believe all that crap then you're an idiot and I give up. I don't argue with fools.

I'm posted scientific studies by professors and you site wikipedia, and I'm the idiot.

There is an old saying, "Never argue with an idiot, because they tend to drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

 

[QUOTE=palmpalm;11965380]Don't hold back, Doc.

I'm not really surprised by your comments.

I wonder how physicians practiced health care before pills and high technology methods?

 

Yup. Most kids brought to me with parents/teachers wondering about ADHD don't have it. It does exist though and, believe me, you can see the difference between just a normal kid with whatever issues and a kid who actually has ADHD. I'd say I only see an actual ADHD case in about 1/10 kids brought to me for same.