Notices

Gorgeous yellow '96 C4S...but $80K?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-01-2014, 08:32 PM
  #16  
LastMezger
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
LastMezger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: 6th gear!
Posts: 4,301
Received 115 Likes on 87 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Onami
You've got that backwards Ronnie...
+1

The trend seems to be building towards a '98 C2S being the most valuable of the NA cars. The C2S also has the Turbo body just not the red brakes.'

All that said...at least the C4S will work better as a winter beater than the GT3
Old 07-01-2014, 09:12 PM
  #17  
Jamie140
Nordschleife Master
 
Jamie140's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Barrie/Marco Island, fl.
Posts: 6,266
Received 725 Likes on 340 Posts
Default

Some carfax issues.
Old 07-01-2014, 09:39 PM
  #18  
timothymoffat
Rennlist Member
 
timothymoffat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Rainforest (Vancouver, BC)
Posts: 7,524
Received 990 Likes on 438 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LastMezger
+1

The trend seems to be building towards a '98 C2S being the most valuable of the NA cars. The C2S also has the Turbo body just not the red brakes.'

All that said...at least the C4S will work better as a winter beater than the GT3
I'd say the RS and RS/CS would be BY FAR the most valueable NA car, though they weren't available in North America when new.

My take on most valueable by model (room for overlap a couple places due to condition, mileage etc):

1. 993 GT2 EVO (CS > M002)
2. 993 GT2 (CS > M002)
3. 993 RS/CS M003
4. 993 RS M002
5. 993 Turbo S
6. 993 Turbo
7. 993 C2S (MY 98 > MY 97)
8. 993 C4S (MY 98 > MY 97 > MY 96)
9. 993 C2 coupe (MY 97 > MY 96 > MY 95)
10. 993 C4 coupe (MY 96 > MY 95)
11. 993 C4 Cabriolet (MY 98 > MY 97 > MY 96 > MY 95)
12. 993 Targa (MY 98 > MY 97 > MY 96)
13. 993 C2 Cabriolet (MY 98 > MY 97 > MY 96 > MY 95)

Again, just my opinion. And cars can move up or down in ranking due to condition, mileage, colour, options, history among other things. Also, as these cars are now AT LEAST sixteen years old, cars from other markets also come into play. Models available in all markets will be most valueable in their home market which is identifiable by the "C" code (Canada C36 for example) unless being sold in a market where they weren't originally available (RS, GT2).

My $.02.
Old 07-02-2014, 12:18 AM
  #19  
Knight
Drifting
 
Knight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Vancouver BC, Canada
Posts: 2,337
Received 74 Likes on 42 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by timothymoffat
I'd say the RS and RS/CS would be BY FAR the most valueable NA car, though they weren't available in North America when new.

My take on most valueable by model (room for overlap a couple places due to condition, mileage etc):

1. 993 GT2 EVO (CS > M002)
2. 993 GT2 (CS > M002)
3. 993 RS/CS M003
4. 993 RS M002
5. 993 Turbo S
6. 993 Turbo
7. 993 C2S (MY 98 > MY 97)
8. 993 C4S (MY 98 > MY 97 > MY 96)
9. 993 C2 coupe (MY 97 > MY 96 > MY 95)
10. 993 C4 coupe (MY 96 > MY 95)
11. 993 C4 Cabriolet (MY 98 > MY 97 > MY 96 > MY 95)
12. 993 Targa (MY 98 > MY 97 > MY 96)
13. 993 C2 Cabriolet (MY 98 > MY 97 > MY 96 > MY 95)

Again, just my opinion. And cars can move up or down in ranking due to condition, mileage, colour, options, history among other things. Also, as these cars are now AT LEAST sixteen years old, cars from other markets also come into play. Models available in all markets will be most valueable in their home market which is identifiable by the "C" code (Canada C36 for example) unless being sold in a market where they weren't originally available (RS, GT2).

My $.02.
I think you nailed that list pretty good Tim.

And to the OP, the SY is priced correctly in today's market, factor this being a dealer too.
Old 07-02-2014, 07:30 AM
  #20  
LastMezger
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
LastMezger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: 6th gear!
Posts: 4,301
Received 115 Likes on 87 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Jamie140
Some carfax issues.
Do tell?
Old 07-02-2014, 08:04 AM
  #21  
Jamie140
Nordschleife Master
 
Jamie140's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Barrie/Marco Island, fl.
Posts: 6,266
Received 725 Likes on 340 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LastMezger
Do tell?
Won't know til this morning. Some front paintwork involved.
Old 07-03-2014, 04:43 PM
  #22  
99three
Three Wheelin'
 
99three's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,820
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Glad to see the 993 market doing well. It will only trend higher.
Old 07-07-2014, 09:35 PM
  #23  
Speedyellow993
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
Speedyellow993's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,984
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Dent in Roof

Front end Hood and two Quaters if I recall correctly.

Dont Quote me on this.
Old 10-28-2014, 12:04 PM
  #24  
IXLR8
Rennlist Member
 
IXLR8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Canada & the Alps
Posts: 8,378
Received 655 Likes on 455 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LastMezger
I mean it's gorgeous but $80,000... I can imagine paying that much for a mint, mint '98 C2S but a '96 C4S?

What do you guys think?
There is a reason why it hasn't sold. It is far from mint and has quite the story.

I inspected this car with my paint thickness meter for a friend of mine who was interested.

Most panels check out OK, but there is some obvious damage to the roof at the top of the window right at the rubber seal. Pfaff informed us that a brick fell on it and then damaged the hood; not disclosed by Pfaff till I brought it up. The thickness of the paint on the hood can be considered off-scale and the vehicle info label is missing due to the hood having been replaced according to Pfaff.

The right door has seen an incident as there is over spray and other paint defects as well as not lining up too well at the lower rear-end near the rocker panel. Also not disclosed by Pfaff till I brought it up.

It has damage history but having looked at the front end, everything I saw looked original...frame rails, front apron, bumper mounts, etc. One or both fenders may have been replaced. I did see the paint scraped off the threads of the bolts attaching the fender as we had the headlights out.

The interior is nice and if you can believe the mileage, its at 53K kms.

But $80K for a car with a long list of stories and countless owners. It could be sold to an uninformed buyer at that price. The used car sales manager said it would be priced at $100K without its history. Well OK, believe what you want. I doubt they paid much for it. I would not pay $55K for it.
Old 10-28-2014, 12:40 PM
  #25  
ronnie993tt
Race Car
 
ronnie993tt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Toronto & Mont Tremblant
Posts: 4,658
Received 257 Likes on 172 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by IXLR8
There is a reason why it hasn't sold. It is far from mint and has quite the story.

I inspected this car with my paint thickness meter for a friend of mine who was interested.

Most panels check out OK, but there is some obvious damage to the roof at the top of the window right at the rubber seal. Pfaff informed us that a brick fell on it and then damaged the hood; not disclosed by Pfaff till I brought it up. The thickness of the paint on the hood can be considered off-scale and the vehicle info label is missing due to the hood having been replaced according to Pfaff.

The right door has seen an incident as there is over spray and other paint defects as well as not lining up too well at the lower rear-end near the rocker panel. Also not disclosed by Pfaff till I brought it up.

It has damage history but having looked at the front end, everything I saw looked original...frame rails, front apron, bumper mounts, etc. One or both fenders may have been replaced. I did see the paint scraped off the threads of the bolts attaching the fender as we had the headlights out.

The interior is nice and if you can believe the mileage, its at 53K kms.

But $80K for a car with a long list of stories and countless owners. It could be sold to an uninformed buyer at that price. The used car sales manager said it would be priced at $100K without its history. Well OK, believe what you want. I doubt they paid much for it. I would not pay $55K for it.
I can't believe how lazy they are. Overspray is easily removed with a couple of strokes of blue clay.
Old 10-28-2014, 12:52 PM
  #26  
IXLR8
Rennlist Member
 
IXLR8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Canada & the Alps
Posts: 8,378
Received 655 Likes on 455 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ronnie993tt
I can't believe how lazy they are. Overspray is easily removed with a couple of strokes of blue clay.
There was more than just that. It looked like a piece of plastic wrap hit the wet paint and left creases in it. Then nearer to the door handle but under it, it looked like someone tried a DIY paint fix and used rubbing compound...its still dull. The roof also has some scratches at the left rear.

What I can't believe is the non-disclosure from what many consider a leading Porsche dealership. We have to stop applauding businesses...remember that hack job on the tunnel cover by a shop so many praised? There is no way they did not know about the roof and door damage unless they are clueless about cars as a used vehicle dealer.

At the right price it would still have to be a keeper because selling one with this background would be tough. I'd professionally repaint the roof windshield-out and the passenger door. Some sucker will buy it.
Old 10-28-2014, 09:57 PM
  #27  
dromoher
Advanced
 
dromoher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Calgary
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

I think you could stick in a couple of 964 turbo's pretty high on the list of most valuable.
Old 10-28-2014, 10:13 PM
  #28  
ansonintoronto
Racer
 
ansonintoronto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: GTA
Posts: 292
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Seems a "sucker" was found for the 993. Hope it's no one on this board
Old 10-29-2014, 12:07 PM
  #29  
dsmyth
Rennlist Member
 
dsmyth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 372
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I was close to buying it through a stellar sales person there named Jay-R. We could not put a deal together. If it's not on the lot they said that they were putting it away in storage until spring. Doug
Old 10-29-2014, 12:49 PM
  #30  
Pags993
Drifting
 
Pags993's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,684
Received 139 Likes on 69 Posts
Default

Smart move on their part given Spring fever reality.


Quick Reply: Gorgeous yellow '96 C4S...but $80K?



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 05:43 PM.