Oppose the Plastic Bag Ban
#1
Race Car
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Oppose the Plastic Bag Ban
Sorry, I know it's off topic but I think we need to fight the Nanny State which unreasonably restricts speed limits on as many fronts as possible. If you are against the proposed plastic bag ban, filling in this online petition is one way to be counted. I just submitted my entry.
http://www.reversethebagban.ca/take-action/
http://www.reversethebagban.ca/take-action/
Last edited by ronnie993tt; 11-01-2012 at 04:59 AM.
#2
Respectfully, I must say that I don't agree with the arguments that site presents.
I don't have a strong opinion either way, but they seem like reflexive counterarguments to me.
I don't have a strong opinion either way, but they seem like reflexive counterarguments to me.
#4
Rennlist Member
Well sometimes anyway.
#5
Race Car
Thread Starter
On not sure what basis you can disagree on? There have been buckets of independant studies done by Fraser Institute, CD Howe Institute, etc. and plastic bags are far and away the most economically and environmentally sound option.
#7
Whether the impact they do have is significant, I have no idea and don't really care. Again, I don't have any strong opinions about it -- I just don't like the way they present the arguments on the site. Since you asked, here's a breakdown.
1 ... Imposing a ban on Torontonians is unnecessary and can have negative consequences.
2 ... In fact, two bans have been rescinded in Ontario municipalities because consumers prefer to recycle their bags.
3. The decision to ban was not thought out and shows considerable disrespect to residents and voters. It should be rescinded....
4. The alternatives to plastic shopping bags have not been carefully considered. Paper bags are not better for the environment. It means that a lot of trees will have to be cut down....
5. A ban will end up costing me more money because I will need kitchen catchers for my household waste and they will cost me 7 to 20 cents a bag. How is that helping my family budget?...
6. Many of the claims about plastic bags being a serious environmental issue are false. For example, with plastic bags are not a litter or landfill problem....
7. A ban will cost a lot of jobs we cannot afford to lose and hurt a lot of family-run businesses. We don't need council killing jobs....
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#8
Race Car
Remember that anything called an "institute" is rarely if ever objective. They're all biased - some left, some right, but at the end of the day they rely on donations, mostly from corporations. "Independent" and "institute" are more or less mutually exclusive.
#10
Drifting
We live in such a nanny state here in Ontario, we don't need any more rules... I'm for anything that allows the individual to make good decisions for our environment not more rules or by laws.
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#11
Team Owner
wow i just cant belive you guys dont take the time to take your used oil and filters to the dump .. You guys are putting used oil filters in regular garbage is the most dissapointing point for me ..
#12
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All bags (paper & plastic) should be banned. We should bring our own reusable bags/containers to the store and use them. That's what we've been doing for a couple of years now, and it seems to be a growing trend. Used oil & oil filters should be disposed of properly (not placed in the garbage).
#13
Race Car
As for the plastic bag ban, we use reusable shopping bags (as long as I don't forget them ) and avoid plastic bags as much as possible. However I would say we as a society have bigger problems to focus on right now, so it's really not much of an issue for me. I know Rob Ford has his axes to grind, but really he should be looking at why he city is in a downward spiral, rather than pissing around with insignificant issues. It really irks me when politicians waste precious resource on "sexy" issues that really don't make much difference in our society.
#14
Nordschleife Master
Driving the other day I noticed that out of 100 cars I couldn't count on one hard 2 or more people in a vehicle, it's pretty much 1 person per car. That to me means we have a terrible transportation system and once looking at the cost of it for the people who use it. It really looks overly expensive. No wonder everyone is driving by them selves.
Plastic bags don't hurt that much and paper bags means trees are being cut down. Re-useable grocery bags are a good thing but a lot of us use the plastic ones as kitchen garbage bags and don't need to spend money to buy them separately at the store for it.
I think there are many better ways to help but unless the corps and govt can make money off it then it won't be done.
Plastic bags don't hurt that much and paper bags means trees are being cut down. Re-useable grocery bags are a good thing but a lot of us use the plastic ones as kitchen garbage bags and don't need to spend money to buy them separately at the store for it.
I think there are many better ways to help but unless the corps and govt can make money off it then it won't be done.
#15
Completely agreed. What's more, I'm (obviously) tired of the lack of any real argument from the key political players for their own causes. Emotion and straw men are all I see these days.