Sad end to a nice day...
10-23-2012, 08:27 AM
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They conveniently left out the BAC level. Usually this is when it is low and not likely a factor (or much of a factor) in this case. Inexperience and speed were the problem here.
10-23-2012, 11:01 AM
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10-23-2012, 07:30 PM
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http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dan...on4.8.16.shtml clarifies this, I'm not sure under what circumstance one can be charged with impaired driving even with less than 0.08 BAC, but apparently it is possible according to this Ontario government link, however there is no way to know if that is the case with this crash based on the info available from the news media.
I do recall a case where a coworker was nailed from behind by a Bronco SUV whose driver was hammered but not charged with impaired driving because his BAC was just shy of the 0.08 legal limit, this was 15+ years ago. The Bronco ended up on top of this coworker's CR-X, he was airlifted to Sunnybrook Hospital, remained in a coma for several days, and was never the same mentally after that
In any case I stand corrected, I had always thought getting pulled over for BAC between 0.05 and 0.0799999999 will result in an immediate 24 hour road-side suspension but not charged with impaired driving.
Driving impaired or with more than 80 milligrams of alcohol in 100 millilitres of blood (.08) is an offence under the Criminal Code. Even if your blood alcohol concentration is less than .08, you can still be charged with impaired driving under the Criminal Code.
In any case I stand corrected, I had always thought getting pulled over for BAC between 0.05 and 0.0799999999 will result in an immediate 24 hour road-side suspension but not charged with impaired driving.
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10-23-2012, 08:24 PM
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Sorry to hear about your office buddy - as was said earlier it is so sad that so often the innocent parties are the ones who suffer the most. I was commenting only to indicate that the legal limit was changed a few years ago to .05 I found this out last year when I got my motorcycle license.
10-23-2012, 08:37 PM
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Thanks, it was sad to see an intelligent young man deteriorating after the accident to regularly forgeting things and expressing incoherent and illogical comments and thoughts.
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10-23-2012, 09:11 PM
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Sorry to hear about your office buddy - as was said earlier it is so sad that so often the innocent parties are the ones who suffer the most. I was commenting only to indicate that the legal limit was changed a few years ago to .05 I found this out last year when I got my motorcycle license.
10-23-2012, 10:58 PM
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He had a G2 Licence which means 0% alcohol and he had had a drink according to CFTO News. He was also bailed out by his "family". He is toast ...
10-23-2012, 11:38 PM
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Local Chinese newspaper reported the car was only obtained 4 days prior to the crash, and that the impaired charge may very well be relating to the G2 license 0.00 rather than either 0.05 or 0.08 BAC.
According to an interview in this Chinese newspaper with a witness who was very near by but did not actually observe the crash, the car was likely going at 150 KPH and may have hit a speed bump/hump which caused it to go out of control.
Somehow I can just see the lawyers using the speed bump/hump as the excuse in the court trial........
The Chinese news article link is here http://tinyurl.com/8fa5v97
According to an interview in this Chinese newspaper with a witness who was very near by but did not actually observe the crash, the car was likely going at 150 KPH and may have hit a speed bump/hump which caused it to go out of control.
Somehow I can just see the lawyers using the speed bump/hump as the excuse in the court trial........
The Chinese news article link is here http://tinyurl.com/8fa5v97
10-24-2012, 11:58 AM
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Sad. Human nature really. As a species we seem to have a history of proceeding in matters where we have not yet developed the maturity to do so. This has led to some great and beneficial discoveries, but has also caused death and suffering.
Driving is no different. Kids (anyone who's in their teens or twenties) haven't yet fully developed maturity levels - this is reflected in their decisions. We all go through this period. I learned driving from my Dad who encouraged me (starting at age 13) to tool around in his VW bug out in the country (near Bobcaygeon) and on dirt bikes. My early explorations let me develop a very healthy respect for the laws of physics - which served me well later.
We really need some form of graduated licensing for kids (for cars and motorcycles) - which will restrict them from driving very powerful machinery for several years, until they (hopefully) develop the knowledge and maturity necessary to safely operate Turbos and the like. Still, I don't think that would have helped the young man in this case (who was here on a Visa), but we should be doing more to protect our kids.
Driving is no different. Kids (anyone who's in their teens or twenties) haven't yet fully developed maturity levels - this is reflected in their decisions. We all go through this period. I learned driving from my Dad who encouraged me (starting at age 13) to tool around in his VW bug out in the country (near Bobcaygeon) and on dirt bikes. My early explorations let me develop a very healthy respect for the laws of physics - which served me well later.
We really need some form of graduated licensing for kids (for cars and motorcycles) - which will restrict them from driving very powerful machinery for several years, until they (hopefully) develop the knowledge and maturity necessary to safely operate Turbos and the like. Still, I don't think that would have helped the young man in this case (who was here on a Visa), but we should be doing more to protect our kids.
