Goodness me.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/21/2...s-ring-time-q/

 

My 997 has one huge feature the 991 doesn't.

It's paid for.

Nice car though.

 

Chris, I couldn't agree with you more.

 

Unless you are a professional driver who spends most of your time on the ring measuring your lap time to the second, I don't see what difference it makes really in daily driving or the occasional track day. Regardless, it is good marketing, and part of the reason I will never buy a new model car..I'll sit back and take advantage of the price drop!

 

It is pure marketing bobbins for sure. Sadly, many *ahem* non-enthusiasts buy cars for just that reason. Because it's better than the last model.

I love a sale.

 

They don't say if its the PDK version or not. Funny thing is that is that with a pdk version it probably is faster then the gt3 on short twistie tracks.

They also don't state what rubber they are running. Doesn't the GT3 originally come with PS cups? while a 991 would probably come with just a summer performance tire. Depending on this there could be a few more seconds off that ring time.

 

not in that report, but the original report did say it was PDK-equipped, as well as sport suspension and dynamic chassis control. it was optioned out with a lot of performance options. They did say "stock" tires which i assume were the pirelli's that were announced yesterday on the PCA newsletter.

i don't think the gt3 came with cups...maybe the gt3 RS did. plus noone has said "which" gt3 time they were comparing to: 997.1 gt3? 997.2 gt3?

 

I'm with you Crazy Canuck

My 997 is fully paid and the 991 is not much of a change for me to invest more dollars into Porsche's pockets

If and when I finish the extension/lift to my garage, I would probably look at adding a Ferrari F355 or a newer Audi R8 to the stable.

 

performance is only going to go up from here as porsche introduces powerkits (e.g. X51), turbo models, GT models and GT/RS models. exciting times.

 

I agree with all the posts above. The more I look at the 991, the more it looks Panamera-ish. I think the 997 looks better, ahem, more 911-ish.

I guess you upgrade for some bragging rights that only a seasoned professional driver could lay claim to and a nice interior. Meantime, I'm looking forward to watching 997.2 TT prices drop. It will take a while, but one shall be mine. Oh yes, it shall be mine.

 

But everyone here on rennlist is exactly that, aren't they?

Like it or not, those are the people that have kept Porsche in business for 60 years. Plus, they ensure a plentiful supply of affordable cars for everyone else!

 

I'm thinking 997.2 GT3 RS or 997 GT2 RS ...

in a few years.

 

+1. I'm waiting for PTS on 991 GT3 RS.

 

At a three quarter front view the new 991 looks like a 'Panacaymen'. The interior looks very Panamera. The Targa roof model with the glass moving outside the body of the car is just strange. I still hold the 997.2 model up as the standard of current great looks for the 911 models and here we have I think, a retro step backwards in the looks department.

You can see the same thinking with the new updated Panamera 2 where there was supposed to be an improvement in 'looks' and yet the same elements of a back end you wouldn't want on your girlfriend are still there. The standard for 4 doors in the looks department is still Aston - sorry Porsche.

I also question the use of a mixed Aluminum / Steel chassis in the new 991. It makes this car difficult to repair in the current dealer body shops as you cannot have Aluminum body repairs in normal shop unless your just a panel fitter. This was a car that either should have gone all Aluminum or Porsche should have waited a year or two and introduced an all carbon chassis and push out the goal posts a little. Maybe a polycarbonate material instead of glass for the targa?

 

It's been that way forever - every 2nd iteration of the 911 is considered a classic:
longhood - classic
midyear - not
SC - classic
Carrera - ok, they got 2 in a row
964 - not
993 - classic
996 - not
997 - classic
991 - not

So it stands to reason that the 991 should be good but not great, and the 992 (or whatever it will be called) will be a home run.