RealityGT

Does the OPP have rights to access the ports and inspect cargo containers? I'd imagine that was the RCMP jurisdiction...
I'm not really on social channels so I don't these posts.

theiceman

im not sure of the details, but no one would help the guy and it ultimately shipped out to dubai and ended up on a used car lot , he tracked it with his apple tag the whole way.

Vapordan

I want to put what I have learned out there, subject to correction of course.

DETERRENCE
Apple tags work thru other user devices or phones, so the tag needs to wait for a cell phone in the area before it can transmit device info thru the foreign device without end-user knowledge. That's why it isn't real time. Apple tags are not designed for theft detection, but misplace prevention and recovery. The tag will inform the thief that an airtag is close by and may allow the user/thief to ping it to find it. Apple tags, when used in this way, simply slow down the thief.

The other types of devices come on two flavors, self transmit or car transmit (these are my terms). Car transmit are wired to and use the car antennas to push a signal. Thieves simply pull the fuse for the antenna and let the car sit in a parking lot for a few hours before moving it into a container. The expensive device will be offline and untraceable during that period of time.

Self transmit are the ones that broadcast a signal from within the device. These are hidden somewhere in the car interior to make tracking difficult to find.

Deterrence devices usually use some sort of signal based on RFIDs. Those will usually penetrate iron containers. If the container starts moving (to a port of call, game over). Only 1% of containers are searched. Insurance prefers to write it off and pay you than go find it, clean it and recertify it for road use etc. They make back the cost on the premium increase.

PREVENTION
Immobilizers. Those prevent that car from getting stolen.

You need a 3 pronged approach: detection, prevention and luck-tion.

.2PDK

Where can these be bought/installed?

Vapordan

Google IGLA alarm, or Ghost alarm. These are good and have other benefits like *** shutoff, Hijack alarm and bunch of other goodies. Install cost, you will get change back on $1300.

SToronto

OBD lockout hardware is important now. Common method is to plug in and replicate a new key that the thief has brought with them.

rensoyka

pretty sure that porsche fobs cannot be cloned except at the dealership. relay attack on entry/drive is much more common, biggest reason why I'll never buy a car with it.

SToronto

depends what's common in your area. Relay may not be most common. Though they are both methods.

Another is CAN bus.

Vapordan

Nope, the signals are all clonable. Except there is a digital cert in there which would prevent the cloned key from working (authenticating). And even those can be copied if they really want the car.

The CAN bus alarms are the best. They can clone your signal all day long, the car just won’t start without a special hand shake. They can be compromised but it is a major hassle of locating the controller by scouting for the signal finding it and disabling it. Doable with a few hours on your hands but at this point it’s easier to take the neighbour’s car in 2 minutes.

Let’s blame the EU while we are here. They are the ones who legislated that all shops be able to service any brand of car. So, specialized dealer equipment to interrogate the car CPU began to make it into shady hands. And here we are!

rensoyka

porsche key fobs that require a press of a button (not entry/drive) are not emitting a signal until pressed. even if they could intercept that code it will be rolled to the next one immediately and be useless to them.

SToronto

I don't believe Porsche offers proximity lock/unlock. They did offer it as an option briefly on some model int he last 5 years, with a disclaimer on the configurator of relay theft.

Vehicles with proximity lock/unlock have fobs that are always transmitting. These are the ones susceptible to relay theft.

Vapordan

Passive systems are also susceptible, get the facts here: web.stanford.edu/class/ee26n/Assignments/Assignment5.html
This link is a Stanford homework assignment discussing how to hack all of these fobs (to university students!!!).
Good read. For the uninitiated, skip down to section Attacking Passive Keyless Entry and Start (PKES) Systems
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theiceman

garage .... dog.... dog door to garage

.2PDK

Insurance companies will be happy to hear Toronto police are suggesting folks leave their car keys by the front door to avoid violence.

They also recommend you focus on situational awareness when out and about to avoid being a victim.

We're getting there...

Cityfisher

The city is a mess.. no question!