Yes and yes but you still didn't answer my question. A buddy of mine's parents got killed when a motorcycle sliced through their car. I've seen the scene of the same type of collision a few years ago. It's remarkable how much damage a motorcycle at speed can do to a stationary car.

 

Getting a driver's license has always been extremely easy in Canada. I had to study more for my moped license in Europe than to get my driver's license in Canada and that was over 30 years ago. Not much changed here since.

 

I have seen this as well, like a .45cal bullet hitting a squirrel at short range...

 

Yup.

 

i always like to play devils advocate just to try and better understand the issues at hand... its not like governments sit around and think this stuff up because they have nothing better to do ..

 

I may sound old school, but I agree. Give people a stronger basic driving education , including the theory portion. And let's face it--our culture has strengthened the notion of faster cars, safer technology, wrapped up in a "Fast and Furious" fake-reality, and it's easy to understand how level-headed people sometimes can get too carried away with the technology and push their cars past their own limits of control.

M

 

I don't get it. I've been member of LEXUS IS and BMW M groups for years, and gone to dozens of meetups in parking lots and the like. And every_single_time, there was overwhelming group consensus to NOT engage in any type of stunt driving en route, or while on site. Always. These were young and old folks alike.
These videos seem to show a few bad apples ruin it for all of us.
Raise the fines--punish their PARENTS, seize property disproportionately (how about we seize their homes or other assets) and use that to pay into more education and victim funds?

Yeah, extreme I suppose...

M

 

You all are a bunch of old guys who forgot what it feels like to be young. How about just giving them a place to do it? All the laws won’t stop much IMO compared to giving a save place to do fun stuff. I don’t think legislation is the key...

 

There is a place to do it...the track. They are free to book the track and pay for the use of that private land and related costs.
Of course if they wish to drive fast on a track without training and understanding their limits, and they hit the wall, injure or kill themselves or others, let's make sure they signed a waiver and sought out insurance otherwise people are going to blame the track operators, or claim the car was at fault, or the tires blew prematurely, etc.
It's so much easier to just tweet out with your buddies and hit a parking lot or the public streets--and therein lies the issue.

M

 

As someone really really old now once said: "its all fun until someone looses an eye"

 

Unfortunately this continues to happen every single weekend around 1 AM at Sunnybrook Park. When 50+ cars showed up one night, they sent in the cops after someone phoned it in, but there are smaller groups still doing it on regular basis. You can hear them for miles.

The cars are usually either riced-out Japanese cars or pickup trucks (yup!). Never seen a Lexus or a Merc, but I have seen a few BMWs, usually older 3-series cars that have again been dropped and riced out to the max. The drivers and passengers are almost always in the 20s and wearing a baseball cap as a fashion statement.

Absolutely. They don't even have to go that far... COVID lockdowns notwithstanding, autocross events are run by various car clubs at various parking lots in a safe manner all the time.

 

There's actually a very easy and relatively cheap fix. Place concrete curbs between the parking spots in the middle of the lot. Problem solved.

 

then we call it a sport!
finished it for you

 

words of the entitled i guess...

 

Brings to mind couple pics I saw.



Stunt driving in 1946