fenixv8

Thanks for posting this. Good info,

SToronto

These are just red light cameras. Picture taken when you enter an intersection after the light turns red. Great, who wants people running reds?

They are in most major municipalities to some degree. Toronto has well over 100 cameras.

There's no 3 second rule. No points. That person probably entered the intersection to turn right at speed after it turned red without making a complete stop. Ummm...yellow light? Speeding up to make the light? Rolling stop? Just didn't care?

theiceman

yeah I deserved mine, and I manned up, was late at night and was gonna go through a late yellow , and it went red so I whipped right around the corner.. got my ticket and paid my fine, moved on. first pic was me in the intersection , second pic was no car in site .. lol

I was found guilty anyway …

Christien

Yeah, as much as I agree that most tickets are little more than revenue generation, this doesn't quite smack of a police state to me, especially when vehicle vs pedestrian accidents are so high in Toronto. Sure, pedestrians might be somewhat (even largely) at fault if they're staring down at a screen, but like I always say to my kids - the pedestrian might have the right of way, but the car has the right of weight.

Imo000

I like this quote, going to use it at work!

Torontoworker

Time to run the car cam all the time. 'Look at my video judge. See, this charge should be thrown out - my video is time stamped and clearly shows I stopped on the red *completely* before turning....'

By the way: Someone show us WHERE in the HTA it states you must stop for three seconds before proceeding through a stop sign or turning right on a red? The city can't make up its own rules that conflict with the HTA.

Christien

It doesn't.

136 (1) Every driver or street car operator approaching a stop sign at an intersection,

(a) shall stop his or her vehicle or street car at a marked stop line or, if none, then immediately before entering the nearest crosswalk or, if none, then immediately before entering the intersection; and


So come to a complete stop, and if you have the right of way, proceed. Nothing about time. However actually making a literal complete stop, where the vehicle ceases all forward movement, may feel like 3 seconds, because we're so used to rolling stops.

Imo000

The 3 second complete stop comes from the driving schools. They tell this to all their students and now people think it's the law. Driving schools teach defensive driving but at the same time spread misinformation too. For example, it is not illegal to pass on a solid centre line. Pavement markings are not enforceable. They are guidelines for drivers to consider when driving. Now if you decided to pass on a solid centre line and get into a collision, then you will be dinged for unsafe lane change, careless driving as so on but the HTA has nothing on the solid line. Makes sense if you think about it. When the road is covered with snow, the lines are not visible so how can it be enforced?

Nate Tempest

Oh man, reminds me of a time many years ago I was following someone down a long, straight, wide open road with a single solid line. They were doing 15 under the speed limit, so I signaled, pulled out, and passed them. And since I was passing over a solid line, I was super careful about it and literally didn't exceed the speed limit. As I completed the pass, they started laying on the horn, and then sped up to my speed so they could continue honking at me for the next 15 seconds or so.

TouringTeg

^ Wow lol People getting really their panties in a bunch when getting passed. You can legally pass on a single solid line when safe to do so. (In BC).

Also I see people blowing through red lights to make right turns on a regular basis in Victoria. It is rare to see anyone fully stop unless there are cars coming.

Nate Tempest

Yep, in BC it's explicitly legal to pass (carefully) over a single solid line. (But not over a double solid.) https://www.drivesmartbc.ca/rules-ro...-broken-yellow

Imo000

What happens when the road is covered in snow and you can't see the lines? I’m willing to bet that there are no passing signs at the beginning and end of the double solid lines and that’s what is actually enforced……not the lines.

Nate Tempest

Here's a link directly to the section of the BC MVA quoted in the link above: http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/..._05#section155

Imo000

Interesting.

JimV8