Laguna Seca improvements
#16
Drifting
All of the SoCal tracks are in desert hell holes. I'll take Laguna over them any day of the week. To me the sound restrictions are a bigger issue than any of the track and facilities there.
Looking at that article it appears that they are removing a bunch of facilities with no plan to replace them (paddock classroom, paddock office, campground restroom and shower). Tearing stuff out is easy and cheap, hopefully they don't stop there...
Looking at that article it appears that they are removing a bunch of facilities with no plan to replace them (paddock classroom, paddock office, campground restroom and shower). Tearing stuff out is easy and cheap, hopefully they don't stop there...
#17
Rennlist Member
All of the SoCal tracks are in desert hell holes. I'll take Laguna over them any day of the week. To me the sound restrictions are a bigger issue than any of the track and facilities there.
Looking at that article it appears that they are removing a bunch of facilities with no plan to replace them (paddock classroom, paddock office, campground restroom and shower). Tearing stuff out is easy and cheap, hopefully they don't stop there...
Looking at that article it appears that they are removing a bunch of facilities with no plan to replace them (paddock classroom, paddock office, campground restroom and shower). Tearing stuff out is easy and cheap, hopefully they don't stop there...
#18
Rennlist Member
So the top two would be? Sears and Thunderhill? (or maybe cal speedway? someone mentioned BW..) really? I guess we need to qualify what makes a "best track". Personally, i think Laguna is the best, but Sears is the most technical. something about the racing flow at Laguna, makes it very attractive from a racer perspective. visually, thats another story.
#19
Drifting
Maybe it's all part of a plan to stimulate the muffler industry in CA...
#20
Drifting
At Willow Springs I'd be satisfied with a consistent supply of toilet paper and a bathroom with showers that doesn't look like it was built in a prison. Electrical hook-ups for motorhomes would be nice too but I know that's a dream. Willow Springs is the most active facility in CA with multiple tracks being used everyday, yet they don't spend a dime maintaining the place. It's a sh!thole.
#21
Rennlist Member
hat made me laugh!
At Willow Springs I'd be satisfied with a consistent supply of toilet paper and a bathroom with showers that doesn't look like it was built in a prison. Electrical hook-ups for motorhomes would be nice too but I know that's a dream. Willow Springs is the most active facility in CA with multiple tracks being used everyday, yet they don't spend a dime maintaining the place. It's a sh!thole.
#22
Rennlist Member
I wonder how horrendously expensive it would be to build a sound reducing wall around the perimeter. A sophisticated acoustic foam would be neat but we put up simple concrete barrier walls (maybe 10 feet tall) beside the freeways here when they run adjacent to residential areas. It doesn't make the freeway go away but it makes it so people don't have to shout at one another in their front yard if they bought a cheap house there. I'd imagine the measured noise reduction in dB is quite significant.
#23
Rennlist Member
At Willow Springs I'd be satisfied with a consistent supply of toilet paper and a bathroom with showers that doesn't look like it was built in a prison. Electrical hook-ups for motorhomes would be nice too but I know that's a dream. Willow Springs is the most active facility in CA with multiple tracks being used everyday, yet they don't spend a dime maintaining the place. It's a sh!thole.
I wonder how horrendously expensive it would be to build a sound reducing wall around the perimeter. A sophisticated acoustic foam would be neat but we put up simple concrete barrier walls (maybe 10 feet tall) beside the freeways here when they run adjacent to residential areas. It doesn't make the freeway go away but it makes it so people don't have to shout at one another in their front yard if they bought a cheap house there. I'd imagine the measured noise reduction in dB is quite significant.
#24
Lotta talk about this last weekend. Word is that Willow is planning to pump significant money into a redo. Including both directions on the big track, and a lot of cleanup and updating. Sure hope so - needed it for a LONG time.
As for Auto Club (Cal Speedway), it's looking REALLY tired!! I did a track walk at the Festival of Speed recently, and you can see a lot of problems - like huge cracks and holes just off the edge, that if you track out a bit too far could break a wheel or flip a car...
As for Auto Club (Cal Speedway), it's looking REALLY tired!! I did a track walk at the Festival of Speed recently, and you can see a lot of problems - like huge cracks and holes just off the edge, that if you track out a bit too far could break a wheel or flip a car...
gezz if only putting some distance to turn markers like all the tracks in the world, around turn 8-9 range, it would good, rather than keeping that turns visual geometry and local secret!
So the top two would be? Sears and Thunderhill? (or maybe cal speedway? someone mentioned BW..) really? I guess we need to qualify what makes a "best track". Personally, i think Laguna is the best, but Sears is the most technical. something about the racing flow at Laguna, makes it very attractive from a racer perspective. visually, thats another story.
So the top two would be? Sears and Thunderhill? (or maybe cal speedway? someone mentioned BW..) really? I guess we need to qualify what makes a "best track". Personally, i think Laguna is the best, but Sears is the most technical. something about the racing flow at Laguna, makes it very attractive from a racer perspective. visually, thats another story.
#25
Rennlist Member
At Willow Springs I'd be satisfied with a consistent supply of toilet paper and a bathroom with showers that doesn't look like it was built in a prison. Electrical hook-ups for motorhomes would be nice too but I know that's a dream. Willow Springs is the most active facility in CA with multiple tracks being used everyday, yet they don't spend a dime maintaining the place. It's a sh!thole.
#26
Rennlist Member
Buttonwillow is ready for their big expansion, you see all the asphalt and dirt near Star Mazda. A lone Kangaroo Rat is the only thing from stopping progress.... Damn Tree Huggers and Rats...
As far as Willow Springs pumping money into their track. I call BS. BIG BS.
As far as Willow Springs pumping money into their track. I call BS. BIG BS.
#27
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Well I've driven all the west coast tracks now and Thill has the best amenities and accommodations on site. It has one of the best circuits as well- surface and course (3 mile). Laguna has a long way to go and let's not even talk about Willows....
#28
Three Wheelin'
You have been spoiled. All Laguna had in the old days was porta potties & no garages, and Willow had gravel pits. Laguna "pro pits" c1970-
http://www.johnkrill.net/canam/pits-01.htm
http://www.johnkrill.net/canam/pits-02.htm
http://www.johnkrill.net/canam/pits-03.html
Be glad there is somewhere to race- with the environmental crap and the huge expense there probably won't be any new tracks built in Calif, and for the limited use they get , they get the bare minimum maint.
http://www.johnkrill.net/canam/pits-01.htm
http://www.johnkrill.net/canam/pits-02.htm
http://www.johnkrill.net/canam/pits-03.html
Be glad there is somewhere to race- with the environmental crap and the huge expense there probably won't be any new tracks built in Calif, and for the limited use they get , they get the bare minimum maint.
Last edited by Jim Devine; 07-09-2017 at 11:59 PM.
#29
Drifting
You have been spoiled. All Laguna had in the old days was porta potties & no garages, and Willow had gravel pits. Laguna "pro pits" c1970-
http://www.johnkrill.net/canam/pits-01.htm
http://www.johnkrill.net/canam/pits-02.htm
http://www.johnkrill.net/canam/pits-03.html
Be glad there is somewhere to race- with the environmental crap and the huge expense there probably won't be any new tracks built in Calif, and for the limited use they get , they get the bare minimum maint.
http://www.johnkrill.net/canam/pits-01.htm
http://www.johnkrill.net/canam/pits-02.htm
http://www.johnkrill.net/canam/pits-03.html
Be glad there is somewhere to race- with the environmental crap and the huge expense there probably won't be any new tracks built in Calif, and for the limited use they get , they get the bare minimum maint.
You know 1970 was almost 50 years ago right?
#30
Rennlist Member
They should really redesign Chuckwallas straight..... or I mean quick turns on either side of the straight. SO DUMB whoever designed that.....