Crash: Instructor braces himself with his feet on the dash.
05-23-2017, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Geneman
what happened anyway, just missed the braking point? seems brakes were good as tires squealed all thru the whole time... seems he was trying to wrench the wheel right when fully on brakes... car never turned... understeer much?
Interesting how the stock clutch slips on the up shift like they all do. TXE36's did that in the video with me driving in that thread last week.
05-23-2017, 06:34 PM
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Would have said the same, WITHOUT the "GAS-GAS-GAS..."
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05-23-2017, 06:35 PM
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05-23-2017, 06:40 PM
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Looks like a non ABS E30. Messed up downshift and then locked brakes and target fixated. Kept adding steering hoping it would turn better . That never works especially with locked brakes.
Interesting how the stock clutch slips on the up shift like they all do. TXE36's did that in the video with me driving in that thread last week.
Interesting how the stock clutch slips on the up shift like they all do. TXE36's did that in the video with me driving in that thread last week.
05-23-2017, 06:40 PM
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So you think it would stick just coasting? I'm genuinely curious. The reason for the GAS GAS GAS is partially a verbal 2x4 to the drivers head to get them off the brakes and also to hold the back end down.
In reference to the earlier post, yeah, it does bother me how much that E30 folded up.
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In reference to the earlier post, yeah, it does bother me how much that E30 folded up.
-Mike
05-23-2017, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by porscharu
The tire wall could not have absorbed too much.
05-23-2017, 06:46 PM
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Comment deleted - I think the guy lost his brakes.
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Last edited by TXE36; 05-23-2017 at 08:59 PM.
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05-23-2017, 06:49 PM
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I always ask my students about their driving experience and to drive a lap or two focusing on clean lines, braking points while learning track. This helps me assess skill level and what to add that might help. Sometime please accelerate, but more often its "focus on your lines and get your braking done a little earlier while focusing on being smooth.
It was clear this guy was a true rookie. Hot inside pass leading up to poor line entering high speed turn, missed rpm match on down shift, leads to panic, over braking while turning, then fights the wheel while on the brake...
Would like to hear from the instructor. First lap on cold tires too?
It was clear this guy was a true rookie. Hot inside pass leading up to poor line entering high speed turn, missed rpm match on down shift, leads to panic, over braking while turning, then fights the wheel while on the brake...
Would like to hear from the instructor. First lap on cold tires too?
05-23-2017, 07:01 PM
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IMHO, this is a rookie mistake related to passing. Ideally, get back on-line after the pass. Which he didn't. He made the pass but then found himself in the middle/right of the track when he's probably used to being on far left at turn entry.
Novice would obviously would need to overslow and walk it through and not be concerned about slowing down cars behind - who just gave pass signal. (Novices are always over-concerned about keeping up top speed after making a pass, and not slowing down the car that they just passed, even in that first turn. That's a mindset that the instructor needs to be aware of, and that he needs to break for the novice, or else this result!)
Looking again, I'd be pointing left big-time during that pass. That's my style as an instructor. If he didn't get left (as the driver did not in video), I'd be making the patting down motion to slow. Done each of these many times, lap after lap when needed.
The instructor needs to be on high alert when the novice student makes that sort-of-late pass and is not getting back on-line!
Novice would obviously would need to overslow and walk it through and not be concerned about slowing down cars behind - who just gave pass signal. (Novices are always over-concerned about keeping up top speed after making a pass, and not slowing down the car that they just passed, even in that first turn. That's a mindset that the instructor needs to be aware of, and that he needs to break for the novice, or else this result!)
Looking again, I'd be pointing left big-time during that pass. That's my style as an instructor. If he didn't get left (as the driver did not in video), I'd be making the patting down motion to slow. Done each of these many times, lap after lap when needed.
The instructor needs to be on high alert when the novice student makes that sort-of-late pass and is not getting back on-line!
05-23-2017, 07:03 PM
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IMHO, this is a rookie mistake related to passing. Ideally, get back on-line after the pass. Which he didn't. He made the pass but then found himself in the middle/right of the track when he's probably used to being on far left at turn entry.
Novice would obviously would need to overslow and walk it through and not be concerned about slowing down cars behind - who just gave pass signal.
Looking again, I'd be pointing left big-time during that pass. That's my style as an instructor. If he didn't get left (as in video), I'd be making the patting down motion to slow. Done each of these many times, lap after lap when needed.
The instructor needs to be on high alert when the novice student makes that sort-of-late pass and is not getting back on-line!
Novice would obviously would need to overslow and walk it through and not be concerned about slowing down cars behind - who just gave pass signal.
Looking again, I'd be pointing left big-time during that pass. That's my style as an instructor. If he didn't get left (as in video), I'd be making the patting down motion to slow. Done each of these many times, lap after lap when needed.
The instructor needs to be on high alert when the novice student makes that sort-of-late pass and is not getting back on-line!
05-23-2017, 07:18 PM
#30
Not a fan of his lines anywhere in that video. The jerking steering going into the turn was indecision at the wrong time. ouch. As for the instructor. The two feet on the dash is part one of the Hungarian sport racing associations teaching protocol. Also known as the Budapest safety procedure. Part two is to quickly bend at the waste so as to place your head between the legs and pucker up in the buttocks region. 