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Old 10-28-2016, 03:48 PM
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Where would I find the tire "spring rates" @ x PSI for the following tires:
Pirelli DH
245/645 18
305/660 18
305/680 18
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Originally Posted by ApexComp
Where would I find the tire "spring rates" @ x PSI for the following tires:
Pirelli DH
245/645 18
305/660 18
305/680 18
And what would this information provide you ? what are you looking to achieve? so many variables i wouldnt know where to start to compare. there is a lateral spring rate, vertical spring rate, longitudinal spring rate.
if the question is , what pressure do i use with a 680 vs 660, i would say generally, i would use 1-2 more PSI on the taller tire, to achieve the same (spring rate) but that's a guess and has worked successfully with my set up.
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I would start with asking Pirelli or your tire dealer. Hoosier will provide it for some of their tires and I know other manufacturers have done it before. If not, then you get a fun garage project to find it.
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>> what are you looking to achieve?

suspension modelling Mark.
Vert & Long are =
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Originally Posted by ApexComp
>> what are you looking to achieve?

suspension modelling Mark.
Vert & Long are =
got it. when you do find it, post some findings.

Actually, vertical and long are not equal. Vertical is compression , but there is a longitudinal spring rate too that happens at max slip/force %. its a tangential force
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
but there is a longitudinal spring rate too that happens at max slip/force %. its a tangential force
Is this a Kibortism or something real? Any literature to back this up?
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>> rate too that happens at max slip/force %.

I see what you meant. All we're concerned about here is the normal force. Nothing tangential.
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Originally Posted by Matt Romanowski
Is this a Kibortism or something real? Any literature to back this up?
Every see tires ripple a the drag strip.... its very real.. Everything i mention is real Matt... you know that!

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>> rate too that happens at max slip/force %.

I see what you meant. All we're concerned about here is the normal force. Nothing tangential.
gotcha!
let us know what you find. very interested to see a spec or chart for that.
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Originally Posted by ApexComp
Where would I find the tire "spring rates" @ x PSI for the following tires:
Pirelli DH
245/645 18
305/660 18
305/680 18
Once you see how far a 3 piece wheel deflects on the inner hat on a Cup Car going around a corner, spring rate of the tire becomes somewhat of a moot point....
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
Once you see how far a 3 piece wheel deflects on the inner hat on a Cup Car going around a corner, spring rate of the tire becomes somewhat of a moot point....
Did you say wheel flex

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Might this help?
http://www.britishgt.com/documents/t...sh_GT_2016.pdf
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Great info, thank you.
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Originally Posted by lordpantsington
This is excellent info- many thanks!
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Ran across these last night, remembered the thread, thought it would be good to put it all in one place, enjoy!

http://www.competentmotorsport.com/w...ta-Booklet.pdf

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