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Old 08-22-2016, 04:05 PM
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Hard to say. Ratel is the most experienced, though. My vote is for him. http://www.sro-motorsports.com/

Of course, he's been advising (been hired to help?) PWC for a year or two, which kicked their program up a bit.
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Old 08-23-2016, 09:11 AM
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ALMS over DP; never liked DP cars.

PWC may be better at BoP but I have no interest in watching an Acura TLX beat Ferrari, Porsche, McLaren, etc. Nor for that matter do I have much interest watching a Cadillac or Bentley sedan racing.

Like IMSA's longer formats and mix of tracks over PWC.

I follow the drivers as much as the cars, just not DP.

I wish IMSA and PWC would stop shooting themselves in the foot, merge the two series and duplicate WEC. Same four classes with same cars. Done.
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Originally Posted by Nizer
I wish IMSA and PWC would stop shooting themselves in the foot, merge the two series and duplicate WEC. Same four classes with same cars. Done.
Where have you been?!? The era of 2 sportscar series vying for the same market and both struggling is over. It ended when Grand-Am and ALMS merged in 2013.
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In my eyes IMSA and PWC are two distinctly different forms of racing. I like being able to watch both sprint and endurance.
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Originally Posted by Cory M
In my eyes IMSA and PWC are two distinctly different forms of racing. I like being able to watch both sprint and endurance.
I do as well but I don't think there's enough money out there to support both LT. And that's with central banks partying like it's 1999. Wait until the funny money starts to dry up...
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Originally Posted by Nizer
I do as well but I don't think there's enough money out there to support both LT. And that's with central banks partying like it's 1999. Wait until the funny money starts to dry up...
The budget to run a competitive entry in PWC GT class is 1/3rd of the cost to run a competitive GTD car in IMSA. The teams are entered into each series for very different reasons. It wouldn't be any use to combine them.

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They have had their issues but Blancpain and SRO seem to have it sorted out last couple of years.
Blancpain Endurance and Sprint Series- all recognizable GT marques with no silly fast DP's or protos to deal with (let them race each other separately). Amazing BOP considering all the different cars and they field over 70 cars in the endurance races and 35+ in the sprints. Best racing around IMO.
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Originally Posted by Ritter v4.0
They have had their issues but Blancpain and SRO seem to have it sorted out last couple of years. Blancpain Endurance and Sprint Series- all recognizable GT marques with no silly fast DP's or protos to deal with (let them race each other separately). Amazing BOP considering all the different cars and they field over 70 cars in the endurance races and 35+ in the sprints. Best racing around IMO.
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Originally Posted by Ritter v4.0
They have had their issues but Blancpain and SRO seem to have it sorted out last couple of years.
Blancpain Endurance and Sprint Series- all recognizable GT marques with no silly fast DP's or protos to deal with (let them race each other separately). Amazing BOP considering all the different cars and they field over 70 cars in the endurance races and 35+ in the sprints. Best racing around IMO.
Yep, Ratel (SRO) founded the first (of many variations of) Blancpain series in 2011.

He pushed the FIA to transition from Group N (basically showroom stock) to GT4 spec, which is what CTSCC will be based on.

Pretty amazing stuff! You know the European BoP often varies track to track to account for straightaway lengths, torque off slow corners, etc.?
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Originally Posted by fleadh
The budget to run a competitive entry in PWC GT class is 1/3rd of the cost to run a competitive GTD car in IMSA.

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I totally get the attraction from a competitor standpoint. I'm speaking purely as a spectator.
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Originally Posted by Nizer
ALMS over DP; never liked DP cars.

PWC may be better at BoP but I have no interest in watching an Acura TLX beat Ferrari, Porsche, McLaren, etc. Nor for that matter do I have much interest watching a Cadillac or Bentley sedan racing.

Like IMSA's longer formats and mix of tracks over PWC.

I follow the drivers as much as the cars, just not DP.

I wish IMSA and PWC would stop shooting themselves in the foot, merge the two series and duplicate WEC. Same four classes with same cars. Done.
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DP is stupid junk
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Originally Posted by Nizer
I totally get the attraction from a competitor standpoint. I'm speaking purely as a spectator.
That's my point... as a spectator how are you going to like it when there's only 11 races per year with the same IMSA grid numbers?

Essentially, you make PWC go away, they don't move to IMSA. :-)

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Like I said: two distinctly different forms of racing. Endurance racing is great, I love all of the fuel/tire/caution/team strategy but sometimes the on-track action is lacking. Teams settle in and "hit their marks" to conserve the fuel and tires until the end of the race when it counts. Sprint racing is the opposite. No pit stops, just high intensity racing from flag to flag. They both have their place and combining them would be a big mistake.
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Just because it's one series doesn't mean it has to be either or. No reason one series can't combine sprint and endurance racing, and it would arguably require a more versatile and well rounded driver and team to prevail.

Regardless, I'm not making an argument for one or the other. I'm just skeptical that both series can exist LT in a world of decreasing discretionary capital for auto racing. And I still view WEC/ELMS as the most interesting series out there at the moment.


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