PCA CR Rules changes/revisions
05-08-2014, 09:34 PM
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I am all about lap times and lap records, as RennPoints will show. That said, and in the absence of any financial purse, the points race and possible championship somehow help to justify the insane amount of money I squander on this sport. The points actually add an element of strategy that I enjoy.
05-08-2014, 11:36 PM
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05-09-2014, 08:29 AM
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Actually, I'm also all about lap times and doing my best to keep up with the big boys in my little car. I can't afford a Nat run anyway.
In some cases, a Nat is meaningless and a function of money spent. I know absolutely this to be the case in one class; the award is more or less an attendance award, most certainly not best shoe.
05-09-2014, 08:48 AM
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You know, THIS just might be the answer.
If this slicks thing grows too much hair (as I believe there are many of us who just hate the thought of adding weight...I'm running a very weak GT3 this year, for example, as I refuse to add weight) - we may be better off with the S/R thing.
If this slicks thing grows too much hair (as I believe there are many of us who just hate the thought of adding weight...I'm running a very weak GT3 this year, for example, as I refuse to add weight) - we may be better off with the S/R thing.
Paul is probably the most knowledgeable on this subject since he's driven both and is a good enough driver to extract the most out of each tire compound. I would believe his personal experience evaluation more than most of us that just want to complain and use the 'its not fair' concept (like me). In addition, Walt told me that he's looked at all the ACTUAL data from the races and there is no real evidence that the racers on slicks are faster than the ones on DOT. More than half of the time, 'S' cars finish ahead or "win" over 'R' cars. Results don't lie.
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05-09-2014, 08:59 AM
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Well said Bob.
Merely allowing us free tires would really help increase class sizes.
Perhaps you would simply copy your comments here and post them over to crrules@...with a small note asking them to consider free tires.
Merely allowing us free tires would really help increase class sizes.
Perhaps you would simply copy your comments here and post them over to crrules@...with a small note asking them to consider free tires.
05-09-2014, 09:06 AM
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I want the points so I can have a cool avatar.
Actually, I'm also all about lap times and doing my best to keep up with the big boys in my little car. I can't afford a Nat run anyway.
In some cases, a Nat is meaningless and a function of money spent. I know absolutely this to be the case in one class; the award is more or less an attendance award, most certainly not best shoe.
Actually, I'm also all about lap times and doing my best to keep up with the big boys in my little car. I can't afford a Nat run anyway.
In some cases, a Nat is meaningless and a function of money spent. I know absolutely this to be the case in one class; the award is more or less an attendance award, most certainly not best shoe.
05-09-2014, 09:39 AM
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Well said Bob.
Merely allowing us free tires would really help increase class sizes.
Perhaps you would simply copy your comments here and post them over to crrules@...with a small note asking them to consider free tires.
Merely allowing us free tires would really help increase class sizes.
Perhaps you would simply copy your comments here and post them over to crrules@...with a small note asking them to consider free tires.
A few other rules change options I submitted:
-All races should be points races
-Enduro's count double points.
Not sure about the last one, but figured what the heck.
05-09-2014, 02:48 PM
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Have sent in my feedback/suggestions. Hope that SPB can move to slicks, PCCB brakes, and the new 991 cup seat/slider.
To be serious (for a moment) I echoed sentiments about points races (all), the ongoing seat mount/slider issue (design, fabrication, execution, engineering rationale), and for those of us with arm restraints, clarifying some subjective window net coverage feedback.
To be serious (for a moment) I echoed sentiments about points races (all), the ongoing seat mount/slider issue (design, fabrication, execution, engineering rationale), and for those of us with arm restraints, clarifying some subjective window net coverage feedback.
05-09-2014, 09:24 PM
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I can't understand why people want to be able to choose slicks or DOT tires in GT classes with no weight penalty. Slicks are faster and more expensive, no way to argue that. If you don't care about winning, run DOT tires to save money. If you want to win, add weight where it won't hurt and run slicks. What am I missing?
05-10-2014, 08:47 AM
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I can't understand why people want to be able to choose slicks or DOT tires in GT classes with no weight penalty. Slicks are faster and more expensive, no way to argue that. If you don't care about winning, run DOT tires to save money. If you want to win, add weight where it won't hurt and run slicks. What am I missing?
Because GT is not a spec class, so just because we are in the same 'class' doesn't mean that tires are the only defining factor in the capabilities of the car.
Why is there not a weight penalty if someone has 11.5:1 compression vs. someone with 10.5:1? 11.5:1 is faster and more expensive to build.
Why is there no weight penalty for titanium rods, custom crank work, custom cams and head work? Those can be faster and definitely more expensive...
Why is there no a weight penalty if someone has a sequential gearbox vs H pattern? Again, faster and more expensive...
Why is there no weight penalty if someone has fully adjustable Motons vs relatively stock suspension? Again....faster and more expensive.
But if you want to win, you do all those things, plus a lot more.
When I raced GT5R (slicks), I had guys with SMALLER engines (mine was 2.2, theirs 2.0) that had 50% more hp than me and 5 seconds per lap faster than me that were running in GT5S (DOT). THEY were willing to spend $50k++ on their engine, I was not. Now that R and S are combined, why should I be penalized for slicks then if they are the ones with the faster car that I can't spend enough to beat?
When everything else is free, why are tires a defining point?
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05-10-2014, 01:53 PM
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I got called here for another reason and saw this.
I would note that this poster is not and never has been a PCA racer. He has a thing for PCA Club Racing. He is on other forums doing the same.
How many guys who write negatively about PCA rules are not PCA Club Racing participants and do not even own a Porsche race car but do participate with other organizations? There is a word for that but I cant remember what it is.
I would note that this poster is not and never has been a PCA racer. He has a thing for PCA Club Racing. He is on other forums doing the same.
How many guys who write negatively about PCA rules are not PCA Club Racing participants and do not even own a Porsche race car but do participate with other organizations? There is a word for that but I cant remember what it is.
Doug embodies the spirit of Club racing. He is a damn good driver, a PCA instructor, crews for a raft of guys at our races and is pretty well known in his region.
Just want to send kudos out where they're deserved.
05-10-2014, 02:08 PM
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Because GT is not a spec class, so just because we are in the same 'class' doesn't mean that tires are the only defining factor in the capabilities of the car.
Why is there not a weight penalty if someone has 11.5:1 compression vs. someone with 10.5:1? 11.5:1 is faster and more expensive to build.
Why is there no weight penalty for titanium rods, custom crank work, custom cams and head work? Those can be faster and definitely more expensive...
Why is there no a weight penalty if someone has a sequential gearbox vs H pattern? Again, faster and more expensive...
Why is there no weight penalty if someone has fully adjustable Motons vs relatively stock suspension? Again....faster and more expensive.
But if you want to win, you do all those things, plus a lot more.
When I raced GT5R (slicks), I had guys with SMALLER engines (mine was 2.2, theirs 2.0) that had 50% more hp than me and 5 seconds per lap faster than me that were running in GT4S (DOT). THEY were willing to spend $50k++ on their engine, I was not. Now that R and S are combined, why should I be penalized for slicks then if they are the ones with the faster car that I can't spend enough to beat?
When everything else is free, why are tires a defining point?
Because GT is not a spec class, so just because we are in the same 'class' doesn't mean that tires are the only defining factor in the capabilities of the car.
Why is there not a weight penalty if someone has 11.5:1 compression vs. someone with 10.5:1? 11.5:1 is faster and more expensive to build.
Why is there no weight penalty for titanium rods, custom crank work, custom cams and head work? Those can be faster and definitely more expensive...
Why is there no a weight penalty if someone has a sequential gearbox vs H pattern? Again, faster and more expensive...
Why is there no weight penalty if someone has fully adjustable Motons vs relatively stock suspension? Again....faster and more expensive.
But if you want to win, you do all those things, plus a lot more.
When I raced GT5R (slicks), I had guys with SMALLER engines (mine was 2.2, theirs 2.0) that had 50% more hp than me and 5 seconds per lap faster than me that were running in GT4S (DOT). THEY were willing to spend $50k++ on their engine, I was not. Now that R and S are combined, why should I be penalized for slicks then if they are the ones with the faster car that I can't spend enough to beat?
When everything else is free, why are tires a defining point?