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Old 07-23-2013, 10:44 PM
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I just got my rear dampers back from moton with Staubli quick disconnects. I separated the reservoirs so that I could run the lines again. Darned if I can't get the disconnects to reconnect. Am I missing something here? Shouldn't they click together after sliding the sleeve back? Hopefully I don't have to depressurize the canisters... any advice is appreciated.
Old 07-24-2013, 12:14 AM
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pull back sleeve slide together, keep pressure, release sleeve all should be happy.

What burns me is I can't find anyone who will tell me how to bleed the lines so you don't need the quick disconnects. Either it is a big secret or no one knows.
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Originally Posted by fatbillybob
What burns me is I can't find anyone who will tell me how to bleed the lines so you don't need the quick disconnects. Either it is a big secret or no one knows.
You don't just have to bleed the lines, you have to bleed the entire shock and reservoir. The shock needs to be upside down in a vice with the remote reservoir down lower to get the air out. Not as easy as a simple bleed.

Google Penske rebuild videos or look at the Penske site to get an idea how it's done.
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Originally Posted by fatbillybob
pull back sleeve slide together, keep pressure, release sleeve all should be happy.

What burns me is I can't find anyone who will tell me how to bleed the lines so you don't need the quick disconnects. Either it is a big secret or no one knows.
Yeah that's what I've been trying to do, it just doesn't seem to want to go all the way back in and click into place. I was hoping there was a trick, I may have to call AST tomorrow to figure it out. I only know about the schrader valve to adjust the pressures in the canister, and I haven't done that yet either. For reference, the disconnects I'm working with are below.

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Car isn't sitting on the ground is it? Shocks should be at full droop.
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Car isn't sitting on the ground is it? Shocks should be at full droop.
I tried both ways, but it sounds like that wasn't my issue. I just talked AST and I need to degass the remote canister (Steve W. confirmed as well). I'll have to give that a shot after work. Of course now I need to find a nitrogen tank so I can pressurize again once things are reconnected
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Yep, have to degass the canister otherwise it's imposible to get them to seat. Hit your local Roberts oxygen for a N2 canister/regulator then a Longacre N2 shock inflator, makes setting N2 settings a breeze.

http://www.longacreracing.com/catalo...d=1036&catid=5
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Or order up one of these fine cases https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
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Or order up one of these fine cases https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
That is sweet looking. Did not see a price, I assume pricey
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Originally Posted by Nollie
I tried both ways, but it sounds like that wasn't my issue. I just talked AST and I need to degass the remote canister (Steve W. confirmed as well). I'll have to give that a shot after work. Of course now I need to find a nitrogen tank so I can pressurize again once things are reconnected
Maybe it's just a different disconnect than mine, I was able to re-connect mine after the last rebuild with 200psi in the canisters.

Having your own N2 rig is the best bet anyhow. if you assemble your own you can do it for around $200-250 all in.
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Bite the Bullitt and get the N2 and inflation tool. One of the nice things about Moton is the ability to fine tune spring rates by adj N2 pressure. Sunce you now have N2 you can also use it for tires.

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If you don't want to go the full route you could try discount tire or their local counterpart they usually offer nitrogen fills. You understand all this is a slippery slope. Get the new shocks installed, then add nitrogen to your tires. Why not add air jacks as well. Been here enjoy.
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Originally Posted by 85Gold
Bite the Bullitt and get the N2 and inflation tool. One of the nice things about Moton is the ability to fine tune spring rates by adj N2 pressure. Sunce you now have N2 you can also use it for tires.

Peter
You can do that, but it's not the best way. The nitrogen is there to keep the shock oil from cavitating, not provide spring rate (which it doesn't provide much of). If you look, almost all other manufacturers are going to lower and lower N2 pressures and even going to things like through rod dampers to remove the spring effect.
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If you have remote-canister shocks, you should have access to N2.

Easiest and cheapest for you would be to buy an "air pig" (portable air tank - 5 or 7 gallons), and get it filled at your local tire place if they offer N2 service.

Might not be necessary to always bleed to disconnect and re-connect, but it makes it easier as you're not fighting the pressure. It also reduces the risk of the quick-disconnect shutoff valve not closing right away, and causing you to lose some fluid. GL.
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Oh, and always adjust pressures with the car in the air, on jacks.


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