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Old 07-11-2013, 09:21 PM
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Crossing over with a stock PCA car to run NASA GTS while fun it is just not competitive. I believe the big issue is the lack of gearing, if I am not mistaken GTB also can't run gears.
I think the only competitive crossovers are Gts or 944 spec
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I think a lot of the additional costs associated with the GT classes is in the engine. Adding HP is very expensive and requires the components to run at the zenith of their engineered capability. This means frequent tear downs. Smart bomb money.

You may spend big bucks building a Stock Class car to the maximum limit of the rules, but you are not changing the engine. A stock engine should, theoretically, outlast the hybrids by a significant factor.
Old 07-11-2013, 09:40 PM
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NASA,s dyno hp to weight formula is pretty good it really leaves a level playing field and does limit the arms race at least when it comes to motors
Old 07-11-2013, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by paradisenb
I think a lot of the additional costs associated with the GT classes is in the engine. Adding HP is very expensive and requires the components to run at the zenith of their engineered capability. This means frequent tear downs. Smart bomb money.

You may spend big bucks building a Stock Class car to the maximum limit of the rules, but you are not changing the engine. A stock engine should, theoretically, outlast the hybrids by a significant factor.
So rod bearings every 30 hours is frequent the engine isn't cheap,but consumables are tolerable

Another factor to look at is how fragile the car is off track...when its bumped. It happens and modern cars don't like to be bumped....not saying rubbing is racing.....but ask any cup car crash up derby driver what a pca event cost them
Old 07-11-2013, 11:02 PM
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Well if I could fit in a cayman without bolting the seat to the floor I probably would've had one by now but wasn't trying to spend cayman race car money
Old 07-11-2013, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jenk12m
i have a bimmer that's a possibility but it would be GTS-4 or 5 car. not many bimmer shops around me to help with the car though
Have you talked with Harrison Motorsports in Roswell. I believe TopSpeed does BMW work too.
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Originally Posted by jenk12m
Well if I could fit in a cayman without bolting the seat to the floor I probably would've had one by now but wasn't trying to spend cayman race car money
It's easy to get more headroom by taking the seat sliders out provided your cage give you room. Caymans are very competitive in H (no aero) and I (aero) and you can work yourself into a very competitive GTB1 car with some extra $$.

I think the future is with PDK cars, whether Caymans or 997s.

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And yes, Ryan M is very fast in his H-classed 997...but that car has all sorts of goodies that makes its classification in H quite...optimistic...but technically legal...
VR - Ryan is an excellent driver with a very competitive car (in that order) and I think there is nothing wrong with pushing the envelope within a class to stay competitive, provided he does not put that Cup wing on and moves into "I"
Old 07-12-2013, 09:18 AM
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Oh, I agree, Frank, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying teasing him!
Old 07-12-2013, 09:24 AM
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... and you should advise him to stay in H - LOL
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Hahaha! Will do!
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Originally Posted by Frank 993 C4S
VR - Ryan is an excellent driver with a very competitive car (in that order) and I think there is nothing wrong with pushing the envelope within a class to stay competitive, provided he does not put that Cup wing on and moves into "I"
Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Oh, I agree, Frank, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying teasing him!
VRs just mad I haven't bought him a beer yet for the charity work he provided at WG....and don't worry I'm staying in H.
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LMAO!
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Originally Posted by DDun911
NASA,s dyno hp to weight formula is pretty good it really leaves a level playing field and does limit the arms race at least when it comes to motors
Just because there is a hp/wt ratio doesn't mean folks don't spend big money on engines. Lots of creative (and legal) engine stuff goes on in GTS. It's a great class, just not cheap if you want to be at the front. That's true of any racing class to some extent, but the definition of expensive changes with the different classes.
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Thanks for all the input fellas
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One other point I'd like to make is that you can run slicks in GTB. If you run them in GTS3 the HP/weight becomes ridiculous and a GTB car gets bumped to GTS4. So if you are trying to stretch your tire budget over a couple of weekends add the $$$ for buying R comps with NASA and slicks with PCA or be ready to add sh*t loads of ballast .



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