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02-07-2013, 09:31 PM
#50
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that guy shoudl have gloves on, have some kind of arm restraint. it was pretty nifty the way he was resting his elbow on his door ledge. if only had a tiny clue at what would happen to his neck and arms and hands if he crashed and rolled. i never understand why anyone on a race track doesnt suit up, race gloves, hans, proper fire suits etc. you go hunting, load for bear. and the way that guy is driving, expect a wreck.
safety should be priority #1. then again, hes working on his tan.
safety should be priority #1. then again, hes working on his tan.
02-07-2013, 09:35 PM
#51
you know i watch videos like that it makes me sometimes just ask you coaching guys....how in the world do you sleep at night knowing that the next day you might be getting in the passenger seat of some lunatic like that, who has no idea the risks to which he is exposing himself, has no idea how poor of a driver he is...and yet you are along for the ride.
i give you coaches the utmost respect for your dedication to clients, giving back and assuming such risks. on the other hand, i must ask, WTF is wrong with you guys???? granted this guy is an exception, but id imagine there are a lot of yahoos like that in the white learning groups.
i give you coaches the utmost respect for your dedication to clients, giving back and assuming such risks. on the other hand, i must ask, WTF is wrong with you guys???? granted this guy is an exception, but id imagine there are a lot of yahoos like that in the white learning groups.
I have zero desire to be a right-seat instructor for that very reason.
02-07-2013, 09:51 PM
#52
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The guy in the video is a friend and a very cool guy for a 60 plus year old person. I'm not going to defend his driving habits and he knows that what he's doing is wrong, it's just he can't change it. His "instructor" was poking fun at him among other "friends" behind his back that weekend. So give the guy a break, it's only a DE and I'm sure they had enough black flags that day to stop anybody from endangering others.
02-07-2013, 09:55 PM
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The guy in the video is a friend and a very cool guy for a 60 plus year old person. I'm not going to defend his driving habits and he knows that what he's doing is wrong, it's just he can't change it. His "instructor" was poking fun at him among other "friends" behind his back that weekend. So give the guy a break, it's only a DE and I'm sure they had enough black flags that day to stop anybody from endangering others.
02-07-2013, 10:11 PM
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02-07-2013, 10:16 PM
#55
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The guy in the video is a friend and a very cool guy for a 60 plus year old person. I'm not going to defend his driving habits and he knows that what he's doing is wrong, it's just he can't change it. His "instructor" was poking fun at him among other "friends" behind his back that weekend. So give the guy a break, it's only a DE and I'm sure they had enough black flags that day to stop anybody from endangering others.
02-07-2013, 10:28 PM
#56
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Well, ive been co-riding and unofficially coaching for years, only in the last year actually working as a paid instructor, and i can say that i would not let the student ride solo until those horrible habits are corrected to my satisfaction. there is always an element of danger to the job, but when i am in the passenger seat as an instructor, even when i have a 60 or 70 year old student in a ferrari or whatever, "i" am in charge and i get my point across in a firm but friendly manner. To fail at that is to be doing a disservice to your student. i would love to ride with this gentlman and make him a better and safer driver. He is a blank canvas and a perfect opportunity! To say "its only a DE" is extremely concerning and warrants a whole other lecture!
02-07-2013, 10:30 PM
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Well, the instructor should not be disparaging his student at all. He should be talking frankly with him and helping him to slow down, stopping the dangerous actions and improve as a driver. If the driver won't listen to instruction or is incapable of carrying out the instruction, so that he and others are safe out there, then he needs to stay off the track.
02-07-2013, 10:31 PM
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Well, the instructor should not be disparaging his student at all. He should be talking frankly with him and helping him to slow down, stopping the dangerous actions and improve as a driver. If the driver won't listen to instruction or is incapable of carrying out the instruction, so that he and others are safe out there, then he needs to stay off the track.
02-07-2013, 10:33 PM
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The instructor is expected to be able to control the car with his voice (i.e. via the student's ears). Short of that, bring him in and continue instruction in the paddock in a stationary car. Plenty can be taught while sitting stationary when the student is starting from scratch.... particularly when the alternative is trying to teach in a fully-lit GT2, a $200k 500hp physics lab on wheels.
I'm glad to hear the student is a nice guy (99% of them are). If there really was an instructor in the car during the filmed laps, then the instructor is as much at fault as anyone else.
I'm glad to hear the student is a nice guy (99% of them are). If there really was an instructor in the car during the filmed laps, then the instructor is as much at fault as anyone else.
02-07-2013, 10:38 PM
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I won't volunteer too much info, the driver is a friend and can post if he wants. His instructor tried several times to point out his shortcomings. Some people can't or won't allow themselves to listen. I improved my lap times by six seconds using the very same instructor, didn't put a single wheel out all weekend. At one point the instructor even pulled the driver and his wife aside and had a "heart-to-heart" with both. His exact words: "I love you, but you're an accident waiting to happen."
There's a lesson here for all of us fellow instructors: convey your message in a concise and direct manner, and don't let emotion get in the way. I would have asked the driver firmly to cut that BS. If he didn't comply, I'd spoken to the event organizer and sit him down for the day.
And as a student: listen to your instructor, and try to apply his advise.
My friend has taken this very lightly and has tried to use every excuse in the book, from "bad tires" to "my car has no harness, only 2-point seatbelts". My fear is he hasn't realized yet that his driving is reckless and that he has serious issues. I sincerely hope this is a wakeup call for him. Flame on.
BTW, the driver was solo in the filmed laps.
There's a lesson here for all of us fellow instructors: convey your message in a concise and direct manner, and don't let emotion get in the way. I would have asked the driver firmly to cut that BS. If he didn't comply, I'd spoken to the event organizer and sit him down for the day.
And as a student: listen to your instructor, and try to apply his advise.
My friend has taken this very lightly and has tried to use every excuse in the book, from "bad tires" to "my car has no harness, only 2-point seatbelts". My fear is he hasn't realized yet that his driving is reckless and that he has serious issues. I sincerely hope this is a wakeup call for him. Flame on.
BTW, the driver was solo in the filmed laps.