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Old 11-07-2012, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Romanowski
They should be GT Lite! I guess I don't agree with the philosophy of allowing $10k shocks, chips, and exhuast, but requiring original brake calipers and rotors. Doesn't make sense to me.
I agree with all but the headers/exhaust as i've dismantled more than my share of original SC exhaust systems and I swear they were designed by the Rubics Cube inventor..
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Originally Posted by Matt Romanowski
They should be GT Lite! I guess I don't agree with the philosophy of allowing $10k shocks, chips, and exhuast, but requiring original brake calipers and rotors. Doesn't make sense to me.
Or "Wannabe GT"!

Don't get me started on the remote res. shocks!! Or the stock brakes either!!
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
I agree with all but the headers/exhaust as i've dismantled more than my share of original SC exhaust systems and I swear they were designed by the Rubics Cube inventor..
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Or "Wannabe GT"!

Don't get me started on the remote res. shocks!! Or the stock brakes either!!
I think we're in agreement on this. Exhuast isn't as big of a deal as shocks. I have a quote in front of me for the 914 shocks - $8975 without dry breaks and $12,475 with them. That is almost half what an SC race car is worth!
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In my opinion, the chip change is a minor issue, some of the fastest racers I know run in the e stock class and its their ability that makes them fast, the car is icing on the cake. I am new to club racing and thought I needed new tires and the best of everything to compete. The reality is I have run my fastest times in the heat of battle with tires on many heat cycles, not in qualifing on stickers. I have to face the fact that only becoming a better driver will get me to the top of the pack. and if I ever get there, then the costs will go up to be able to compete with the best . But who said racing porsches in any class was cheap.
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Originally Posted by Matt Romanowski
I think we're in agreement on this. Exhuast isn't as big of a deal as shocks. I have a quote in front of me for the 914 shocks - $8975 without dry breaks and $12,475 with them. That is almost half what an SC race car is worth!
Yep, 1/2 of what you can sell it for and 20% of what it cost to build!
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As for brakes, PCA"s opinion is that larger brakes would drive up costs over the stock setup. Well my brake budget is right behind tires for a season. I use 4 to 5 sets of pads and a set of rotors each year to the tune of 1800-2000 dollars. Let me put 930 brakes on the car and one set of pads will get me through the year. After 2 seasons I'm ahead of the game.
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Originally Posted by dgmark
In my opinion, the chip change is a minor issue, some of the fastest racers I know run in the e stock class and its their ability that makes them fast, the car is icing on the cake. I am new to club racing and thought I needed new tires and the best of everything to compete. The reality is I have run my fastest times in the heat of battle with tires on many heat cycles, not in qualifing on stickers. I have to face the fact that only becoming a better driver will get me to the top of the pack. and if I ever get there, then the costs will go up to be able to compete with the best . But who said racing porsches in any class was cheap.
Not the point, but back to the chip change -
1. The OEM chips are NLA
2. The OEM chips can EASILY be reproduced and branded "OEM"
3. An aftermarket chip can and will be used to increase performance over stock
4. Upgrading this chip goes clearly against the spirit of the "Stock" ruleset and they can't use the "Genie is already out of the bottle" excuse as they did for the remote reservoir shocks.

You can't let a certain model/year of car within a class upgrade their car mid-stream without allowing something for all others within that class, which would be a nightmare. This isn't a new class, the 3.2's, especially with the 100 Lb. weight reduction already allowed this year (for G50 cars, 33 lb for 915 based cars - thanks Jack), have not been dominated because of their car. Evan is right at the pointy end now, and I bet if Dwayne M. put some laps down with his car he would be right where he is, if not faster.. I planned on building up to E this winter but if the rules for the 3.2's are going to be modified (for performance) every year I may just not bother..

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Originally Posted by dgmark
As for brakes, PCA"s opinion is that larger brakes would drive up costs over the stock setup. Well my brake budget is right behind tires for a season. I use 4 to 5 sets of pads and a set of rotors each year to the tune of 1800-2000 dollars. Let me put 930 brakes on the car and one set of pads will get me through the year. After 2 seasons I'm ahead of the game.
Wow, that's TOTAL BS.. Stopping better isn't an advantage over stock??
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
This isn't a new class, the 3.2's, especially with the 100 Lb. weight reduction already allowed this year, have not been dominated because of their car.
Actually Gary, it was only the G50 Carrera that got the 100+ lb weight reduction. The 915 Carrera (Evan's car), only got a 33 lb reduction (from 2812 to 2779). Not completely inconsequential but certainly not a "game changer" either.
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I did not say that larger brakes are not a performance advantage. My context was in cost.
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
Wow, that's TOTAL BS.. Stopping better isn't an advantage over stock??
Agree that the reasoning is BS and it is a performance advantage. Much cheaper to run right sized brakes that don't cook through pads so quickly.
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Originally Posted by Astroman
Actually Gary, it was only the G50 Carrera that got the 100+ lb weight reduction. The 915 Carrera (Evan's car), only got a 33 lb reduction (from 2812 to 2779). Not completely inconsequential but certainly not a "game changer" either.
Thank you for the clarification Jack, fixed it.
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
Yep, 1/2 of what you can sell it for and 20% of what it cost to build!
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Originally Posted by Chris M.
They will bury me next to my car... I'll let all those DE wannabe ***** build their own!

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Originally Posted by Gary R.
They will bury me next to my car... I'll let all those DE wannabe ***** build their own!
I would rather crash my car than have someone else put it on the podium.


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