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Old 04-11-2012 | 11:57 AM
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FWIW, there aren't really 'cast in stone' Moderator assignments by forum.
Some Moderators tend to spend more time in particular forums than others (for example Mudman2 IS the Cayenne Forum ... aka P!g Pen ) but Mods can work in any forum.

Regarding Hacker's work in OT, I don't think that declares him 'ineligible' for duty in Racing/DE.
I used to spend a LOT of time Moderating OT P&C, to the point where I was eventually declared mentally incompetent to perform further Moderator duties, so the Admin decided to put me out to pasture (actually, i thought he meant put me out to stud, but I must have misread his email).

Eventually the Great Dane will get tired of dragging the bicycle around the yard and will lie down for a nap. Then the forum can return to its rightful purpose ... discussing F1 and the greatest driver of all times, Fernando Alonso
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Fernando Alonso uses more torque than horsepower, short shifts before redline, left foot brakes while heal and toeing and droves other peoples rides while using non synthetic oil to lube his belts on his wingless Hans device...

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Fernando Alonso uses more torque than horsepower, short shifts before redline, left foot brakes while heal and toeing and droves other peoples rides while using non synthetic oil to lube his belts on his wingless Hans device...

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Hahahaha!!!

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Old 04-11-2012 | 05:18 PM
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No. What's funny is that you would base racing strategy on what type of tethers someone has on their Hans Device!

That is hilarious!!

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Scott, you met me, do you really think im serious?

however, there would be a part of me passing on the inside that would try and remember, "does this guy have sliding tethers now??"

however, seriosly, if i knew a close competitor was locked in with the old teathers, i would have fun just staying on their rear quarter position to mess with them before a pass. this last race day with them, if someone did that to me, it would have bug the heck out of me. you just cant see where you normally can see without them.
Old 04-11-2012 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
Scott, you met me, do you really think im serious?

however, there would be a part of me passing on the inside that would try and remember, "does this guy have sliding tethers now??"

however, seriosly, if i knew a close competitor was locked in with the old teathers, i would have fun just staying on their rear quarter position to mess with them before a pass. this last race day with them, if someone did that to me, it would have bug the heck out of me. you just cant see where you normally can see without them.
I think we just discovered yet another flaw in your car set-up: mirrors. If fixed tethers are restricting your vision as you described there is something wrong with how your mirrors are set-up.

I have raced with both fixed and sliding and the only differences I noticed are in the paddock, entering a hot track from pit lane without a blend line, and re-entering a hot track after going 4 off. I also have an older Hans made out of CF and have ZERO issues with my belts falling off of it.

Do you not find it a little odd when you have so many problems with vision, slipping belts, etc. when everyone else seems to be getting along just fine? At what point to you look in the mirror and say 'Maybe it's me?'
Old 04-11-2012 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
Scott, you met me, do you really think im serious?
Because I met you I am now supposed to automagically know when you are being serious?

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Old 04-12-2012 | 07:10 AM
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This is somehow reminding me of Bunuel's 'Exterminating Angel'.....
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
Scott, you met me, do you really think im serious?

however, there would be a part of me passing on the inside that would try and remember, "does this guy have sliding tethers now??"

however, seriosly, if i knew a close competitor was locked in with the old teathers, i would have fun just staying on their rear quarter position to mess with them before a pass. this last race day with them, if someone did that to me, it would have bug the heck out of me. you just cant see where you normally can see without them.
So in the first sentence, I read into it that you are implying you weren't really serious.
Then the second sentence you you imply that you are serious.
And finally, ok, I know, nothing is final with MK, the last paragraph pretty much sums up that you were serious and, just for "fun"(your words not mine), would want to put yourself in a blind spot situation with them rather than just pass them.

I'd suggest someone who builds race cars for a living looking at your set up, but I, along with half a dozen or so other RL members have tried that thru your 2 other locked threads, and this one, and you seem to not want to follow our advice. We've offered links to seat belt and seat manufacturers showing what is recommended by them, not us, and you still persist to know better.

Everyone else that is using a HANS has been able to not have the issues you are having seeing out of your car, straps slipping off of HANS, and not have to use a steel wire wrapped around the harnesses to guide them.
So the way I see it you can take the advice given here and have someone in the know physically look at your car and seat/harness/HANS/mirror set up. Or you can just drive your modified version of what you feel is correct and let us know how it works out for you when you do have an accident.
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"...when you have your next accident". Keep in mind Mark has cracked some ribs while sitting in the outdated format "But, but, but it is still legal" seat he continues to use.

Viking, you are making sense, stop it! It only iritates him. I have used my Hans with both versions of tethers and have not had a vision issue. Have had some braking and control issues but I was able to see how close I was to being T boned just fine.
Old 04-12-2012 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
I had the manufacturer, who of course knows so much less than a few guys here on the list, review my configuration of HANS , Seat and belts.

the feedback was the angle of the seat vs the HANS is only for comfort, NOT for safety. A high ranking member of the HANS company , saw my pictures and provided guidance. they also confirmed its age range to years, 2003-2005, as we discussed. NOT the age that one uniformed race list member had noted as "fact". the serial numbers will confirm that it is a 2005 manufactured device (side note)

Im still investigating the angle of the seat for belt effectivenss with the use of the hans.

as far as the seat goes, it will be a moot point when it gets replaced with a newer seat.

for those that were curious about the actual topic.
But no where near as much as OP
Old 04-12-2012 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by kurt M
"...when you have your next accident". Keep in mind Mark has cracked some ribs while sitting in the outdated format "But, but, but it is still legal" seat he continues to use.

Viking, you are making sense, stop it! It only iritates him. I have used my Hans with both versions of tethers and have not had a vision issue. Have had some braking and control issues but I was able to see how close I was to being T boned just fine.
I didn't mean my "when you have your next accident" comment to be a shot at Mark. I am from the school that this is a dangerous hobby we play in and we will all have accidents if we continue with it long enough. Although with MK's comment of driving in people's blind spots for fun I would guess his incidence of accidents might be greater than most.

If I were in an accident such as MK's, or knew someone that was, I would be asking what could be done to improve so next time I don't even have any broken ribs. To me, a good accident is one that you walk away from with Zero injuries.

And I agree 100% on your vision experiences with the HANS, HANS is not the issue here.
Old 04-12-2012 | 07:29 PM
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My head hurts just knowing this thread exists.
Oh, and my spell checker just blew up. Thank god I don't have a fact checker; it would have taken me with it.
Old 04-14-2012 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by onefastviking
So in the first sentence, I read into it that you are implying you weren't really serious.
Then the second sentence you you imply that you are serious.
And finally, ok, I know, nothing is final with MK, the last paragraph pretty much sums up that you were serious and, just for "fun"(your words not mine), would want to put yourself in a blind spot situation with them rather than just pass them.

I'd suggest someone who builds race cars for a living looking at your set up, but I, along with half a dozen or so other RL members have tried that thru your 2 other locked threads, and this one, and you seem to not want to follow our advice. We've offered links to seat belt and seat manufacturers showing what is recommended by them, not us, and you still persist to know better.

Everyone else that is using a HANS has been able to not have the issues you are having seeing out of your car, straps slipping off of HANS, and not have to use a steel wire wrapped around the harnesses to guide them.
So the way I see it you can take the advice given here and have someone in the know physically look at your car and seat/harness/HANS/mirror set up. Or you can just drive your modified version of what you feel is correct and let us know how it works out for you when you do have an accident.

Forget it. you guys, again , are just spouting out or justifying an issue that ive found that many that have the old hans have. there is not one person with the old hans that i have talked to that doesnt comment about the issue. i have it too. the ring is not a big deal it does nothing but provide a little narrowing tension.
my seat is old, and ill replace it when its affordable, but still just fine. Ive seen many others that are raced today that are not as safe in my opinion. we all set up our cars with the safety we feel comfortable with. I ride bikes on the street just cruising without a helmet, but mountainbike with one. something that is crazy, but i dont.

the mirrors are adjusted perfect. there is apoint in the forward point of the blind spot where the mirrors DONT pick up the car next to you and turning your head does. that should be an obvious error in that assesement of my set up.

as far as race strategy, we all want to rattle the cage of a racer in front of us. we use anything that is legal and sportsman like to do that. if i know someone cant see me due to their car, or set up, i will use that to make that person nervous or rattled. knowing how i felt in a race condition with the hans tethered, someone could have done this to me. it was very uncomfortable to not be able to see my competitor at my side, when normally i can. thats it, nothing more. sliders help this issue. if you never had an issue with this, it doesnt surprise me. there are plenty of oblivioius drivers ive raced against. most dont look, so there is no problem, right????

Lets let it go. the bottomline. as a racer, i dont feel comfortable with the HANs due to belt fit, and head movement. I dont like the belts sliding off the HANS legs. over all belt in fit, its not as secure in my opinion. the car was set up by me and built by me, with the help for the critical work of the cage and positioning, by a company that buildts grand Am GS cars and does amazing work, equal to what ive seen from the top shops around here and at Sears point.

so, if you want to talk about ways to help make the fit bettter, fine, otherwise, cut the noise that is only there to make yourself feel better.


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