multi21

Really? This is your fairy tale? Not knocking it, just never heard it before....

ltc

Or the other side of the coin:
Can Alonso (and his apologists) not blame everyone but Alonso himself when he fails to deliver?

Driving for his dream team, the most favored team in F1 (re: Bernie), the best driver in F1 and he has still failed to deliver a single WDC.

How is this possible?
Yes, there is always an excuse....the car, the windtunnel, the tires, the rules, the team, the pit stop, the strategy ...

Just give her a WDC and give Ferrari a WCC and be done with it.

RajDatta

Don't know. No one was going to beat RBR with a 1.4 sec lead on competition early on. They built too much of an advantage, didn't make any mistakes and still hold an advantage. They have the best car and a great driver, who is not making any mistakes. Championship was theirs to lose and they almost lost it last yr. They came back better prepared this yr than anyone else and it shows.
On to next yr...

RajDatta

Not sure, but as a fan of F1 and FA, what else is someone supposed to think? I am an optimist and have hope that sooner than later, Ferrari will provide Alonso the car to win a few championships. It even took Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne and Jean Todt with Schumi a few yrs before they won.
Same with Adrian Newey, he didn't make RBR a winning car over 1 yr, it took 3 yrs before the car became competive. It takes a few yrs in this sport to get to the front and Ferrari along with Alonso, both have the track record that they can do it again.

Turb-OH Brad

Failed to deliver? He is a double world champion...check your history books!

As for Ferrari, he has been in the team for two seasons, and has done respectably both years. They aren't winning consistently because they don't have Ross Brawn. Fernando brought his legendary 3 tenths, but evidently Ferrari is at least 6 tenths slower than Red Bull.

The red team is every bit as good as Red Bull except they don't have Brawn, and their pitstops are a tenth or two slower (Red Bull is amazing in the pits BTW! Stellar work!), and they would be consistently trouncing McLaren if they had a better number two driver. Felipe is past his prime, and 2011 Massa is not even close to 2008 Massa.

No excuses, just facts.

ltc

Yes, a double world champion with Renault (one of which was thanks to a rare Ferrari engine explosion at Suzuka)...he has yet to win a WDC with Ferrari (his dream team, the best team in F1, the best driver in F1, the most powerful political team in F1 and most favored by FOM/Bernie with one of the largest sponsors in F1.

Lots of excuses as to why Ferrari/Alonso has failed to deliver a WDC....fact, not opinion.

Adam@Autometrics

I'm not necessarily an Alonso fan, but is it reasonable to consider finishing 2nd (and nearly winning) in his first (and only) year as failure? He's only trailing in points this season to RBR drivers.

ltc

The best win, the rest lose.

If in fact Alonso is the best (race and development) driver in F1, then driving for the best team in F1 (his chosen team) should produce similar results to the Schumacher era at Ferrari.

So far, it has been nothing but excuses.

BTW, Alonso should have been able to pass an F1 rookie driving a donkey kart in Abu Dhabi, given his reputation for being one of the best when it comes to forcing mistakes and making passes ... but it was Aldo's fault in the end.

RajDatta

Last I checked, Michael Schumacher moved to Ferrari in 1996, didn't win his 1st Championship with them until 2000. Won a total of 5 championships between 1996 and 2006. 1st one came after 4 yrs.
How does that compare with Michael, only time will tell. So far he is doing pretty good with not as good a suppporting cast.
Michael losing his championship to Alonso due to engine failure as an excuse is being an apologist. Michael was with Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne and Jean Todt. Why dd it take him 4 yrs to win?
Best car, best team, unlimited testing, what are the excuses???
Sounds to me like people want to compare apples to oranges, LOL.

ltc

Prior to Schumacher's arrival at Ferrari, their last championship was how many years prior?
(After his departure, some kid named Kimi seemed to have won with Ferrari)

Prior to Alonso's arrival at Ferrari, their last championship was how many years prior?

Why would Alonso move to Ferrari knowing he had "not as good a supporting cast" ?

They have nearly limitless funds (sponsor and marketing revenue), so why doesn't he simply ask for and get what he needs to succeed?

Why aren't people banging down the door to join the Alonso era at Ferrari?

Take your time in formulating a response ... have a banana

RajDatta

Little Thinking Comprehension...
All f1 teams are limited to resources and testing. This is the new era of F1. In case you have been living under a rock.
Why is the greatest not even able to podium? He is with the best team principal, with unlimited funds from Mercedes, with the best engine and KERS. Please explain?
Brawn just won 2 yrs back with measily Button. Why can they not win with Schumacher. Same logic, please explain....

Ray S

Wait, are you saying Alonso is just like Schumacher or Button? I thought she was the master car developer and had unmatched droving skilz (well all of that plus extremely questionable ethics)......

What happened?

ltc

Ray,
He is obviously not ready to solo without his master Sir A.Wayne....he clearly overlooked the fact that Schumacher and Button are FAUX champions, far below the only true current F1 champion Alonso, and therefore should not even be in the conversation.

Strange how all the drivers and teams adhere to the same rules, tires, etc, yet the best driver in F1 still can not win a WDC....or pass a rookie.

Either he is not the best or it is simply more the car and/or team than the driver.

But not to worry, eventually Alonso will be given a 3rd WDC and then it will be a cry of



(Note the use of Ferrari red at the far end of the scale ... nice touch, huh?)

ltc

Last year I stated on this forum that if Alonso (who went into the last race leading the WDC actually won the WDC I would leave RL permanently)

This year I offered to take an IQ test with you, even offering to spot you 50 points I believe...winner stays, loser walks.

Do you really want to use the term Little Thinking Comprehension?

RajDatta

No need to come to your friends defense. Its' not like he has something better to do besides being on rennlist.