TexasRider

Exactly. As I said above I cant see what the issue is here other than just mumbo jumbo. I am in Horners camp on this.

Webber was not in position to win this race. Webber was not in poistion to take over or even come close to the WDC points. So they said just bring it home where you are. Ok.

I am sure RBR wants him to get out front too. They just want him to do it in the next race, or the one after that, or even the one after that.

I dont think going to another car or team is going to help Webber. He is on the best team, with the best cars, and has been this way for 2 or 3 seasons. The only place he could go with even a chance is Ferrari. But not likely. He would still be behind Vettel. Vettels race here just got lost on the jack. And maybe Alonso still wins. Vettel flat said Alonso won and deserved to win. I would look for the same from Webber too.

I dont have a favorite in this. Well I do, but he isnt there any more. Senna. It is just that Vettel is rolling right now. It is just how it is.

A.Wayne

So vettel was cruising, so why the blocking ...LOL .


Webber had more pace than Vettel , Vettel's driving had become desperate in his attempt to keep mark behind him, hence RB intervention and if the position didn't mean a damn thing, then why didn't Vettel move over and give mark the position , he has a big point lead why mess with it ................


Precisely ..

multi21

Easy question to answer.... Webber had more pace than Vettel because they were told to hold position and Webber DISOBEYED A DIRECT TEAM ORDER. I don't see what is hard to understand about that.

Vettel can see that Webber is not "holding position" and tried to sucker punch him and pass.

If I was Vettel, I would have Webber pass and have him answer to Horner after the race just like Alonso had to answer to Ron Dennis after blocking Hamilton in the pits at Hungary.

If I was Vettel, and I wanted Webber off the team, I would have initiated contact and gotten Webber fired for crashing both cars out.

If I was Horner, I'd be sitting Webber down this weekend to send a message to him and any other SOB that thinks they can get paid millions of $$ and go against the team. He is an employee of RBR, not Mark Webber Inc. and if he wants to run strategy, he can go out and buy a kart team and call his own shots!!

A.Wayne

^^^Yeah and thats why you run a scale electrix team .........farking clueless ...


If it was not a big deal let him by , infact it was and they attempted to control the race for Boy wonder at Mark's expense, seeing how that sorry sop Vettel was slower all weekend ....


Alonso and Hamilton in a competitve car would make vettel look low rent and Alonso is still in F1 , Ron ...? who got fired ?


Punk ,,,

9.5 Degrees

Did you happen to catch the part of the race when the red lights were turned off? Boy wonder beat MW to the first corner and left the old man in the dust as he always does.

Just once this year, I'd like to see vettel have a mishap and miss Q3 and Webber on pole. I have no doubt Seb would hunt Webber down during the first half of the race and pass him in the 2nd half.

It really isn't close between these two drivers don't know whey people here even think it is.

My993C2

Newsflash Alonso is in a competitive car. He finished 2 tenths of a second off of Webber's pole qualifying time in Silverstone and was only 75 hundredths of a second slower than Vettel. 2 tenths and 75 hundredths is like a snap of the fingers or a blink of an eye. McLaren does appear to be a step behind Ferrari and it was always two steps behind Red Bull in qualifying. But it is no slouch in the races. Your blind hatred towards Vettel is clouding your judgment (if you ever had any to begin with).

wilhelm

Why should any driver let someone else pass? Especially for points position with 2-3 laps left in the race? Wouldn't this be considering fake racing, just as bad as team orders which are legal now.

I really don't know why I bother replying, its like arguing with a 3 yr old.

M758

2010 was different from 2011. In 2010 both drivers were in relativly equal positions for the season. In 2011 Vettel is clearly leading Webber. Points, Poles, laps lead, and pace.


Also I Seb was told to "back off" for reliablity reasons then Webber the attack is false because the team slowed Vettel down on purpose. In Turkey 2010 both drivers were going full bore.

RajDatta

Last I remember, it was Lewis who disobeyed Ron's team orders to let Alonso pass, so he could burn his fuel. Lewis disobeyed the orders and instead kept going. Alonso hence had to take matters in his own hands and block him in the pits as payback.
As expected, it was Alonso who was called to the pits since Lewis is Ron's Biatch.
Losing memory there bud!

RajDatta

Ahem, didn't that just recently happen? or was that the case all yr? You want to measure everything based on the last result?

multi21

I remember. Hamilton is no angel either, but IIRC that was the first time either one had went against team orders that year. Alonso should have let RD handle things.

No question that Alonso's blocking in the pits was the beginning of the end for him at Mac

ltc

Team orders ... wait, there is no " I " in team.

Please keep going with your history lesson.... I can't wait until you get to the chapter on "Blackmail".

multi21

We should do a poll on our favorite chapter. I'm partial to the ordering of Piquet into the wall to secure Alonso a race win .... and a hollow one at that as he had NO CHANCE at a WDC. Forward by Flava Flav and Pat Symonds....

teamking

That's the best quote in this whole thread!

...and it's why team orders should be banned. These are racers, in race cars, at a race. Let's have a PARADE!

A.Wayne

Yes and he won , wasn't that my point ? You are the only blind one here Chokey ......