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07-15-2016, 07:10 PM
#2626
Hey Coach!!!
In your professional and and experienced opinion, should I buy Hankook Ventus, BFG R1S, or Hoosier R7 for my track car? I'm a novice driver, just looking for the most grip, but would like them to last 2 event weekends...
In your professional and and experienced opinion, should I buy Hankook Ventus, BFG R1S, or Hoosier R7 for my track car? I'm a novice driver, just looking for the most grip, but would like them to last 2 event weekends...
07-15-2016, 08:16 PM
#2627
In have run 1 set of new R7s and several sets of takeoff Hankook C51s. There is an inverse relationship between grip and longevity. Hankooks are cheaper and will last maybe an additional event but even the Hoosiers will get you 3. Nitto NT-01 most bang for the buck.
07-15-2016, 09:14 PM
#2628
Nordschleife Master
Sorry, not preaching, but just had to say that.
I have no experience with the Hankooks, but can say that you will do a lot more than 2 events with the BFG's; those things last forever.
Have fun.
07-15-2016, 09:20 PM
#2629
Hankook Ventus isn't enough of a description as there are (among others)
- Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110
- Hankook Ventus RS-3
- Hankook Ventus Z214 C51 (Roadrace)
- Hankook Ventus Z214 C71 (Autocross)
Of the 'kooks, the V12 is a good introductory tire for a street/track car. Good in the wet. As speeds and your skills go up they will start chunking and you will need to find something else. The RS-3 is a step up and is fairly immune from chunking. With tread depth it is decent in the wet, but gets poor in the wet rather quickly with wear. The Z214 C51 is a wonderful tire on my M3. As you down that list, the cost goes up and lifetime goes down. The Z214s will heat cycle out in about 18 sessions.
I like the Nitto NT01 as a DE tire because they are reasonably economical, do not chunk, and are good down to the cords, so they don't heat cycle out. NT-01s are poor in the wet. I use a set of Nitto NT05s as wets. NT05s also make for a good novice tire as they don't chunk even with hard use. Wet traction is good until almost all the tread is gone and they are okay in the dry down to the cords. NT-05s are also cheap and I'd rate them above the V12s. The NT01 is a DOTR, but behaves very much like a street tire.
There are other tire choices available as well. Some of that rubber you listed gets rather pricey. I personally don't like to buy speed - I'd rather just get better myself.
-Mike
07-16-2016, 12:00 AM
#2633
As a novice, you don't need the most grip. You need a predictable tire that will hold up (not chunk) and likely need something that won't break the bank.
Hankook Ventus isn't enough of a description as there are (among others)
Of the 'kooks, the V12 is a good introductory tire for a street/track car. Good in the wet. As speeds and your skills go up they will start chunking and you will need to find something else. The RS-3 is a step up and is fairly immune from chunking. With tread depth it is decent in the wet, but gets poor in the wet rather quickly with wear. The Z214 C51 is a wonderful tire on my M3. As you down that list, the cost goes up and lifetime goes down. The Z214s will heat cycle out in about 18 sessions.
I like the Nitto NT01 as a DE tire because they are reasonably economical, do not chunk, and are good down to the cords, so they don't heat cycle out. NT-01s are poor in the wet. I use a set of Nitto NT05s as wets. NT05s also make for a good novice tire as they don't chunk even with hard use. Wet traction is good until almost all the tread is gone and they are okay in the dry down to the cords. NT-05s are also cheap and I'd rate them above the V12s. The NT01 is a DOTR, but behaves very much like a street tire.
There are other tire choices available as well. Some of that rubber you listed gets rather pricey. I personally don't like to buy speed - I'd rather just get better myself.
-Mike
Hankook Ventus isn't enough of a description as there are (among others)
- Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110
- Hankook Ventus RS-3
- Hankook Ventus Z214 C51 (Roadrace)
- Hankook Ventus Z214 C71 (Autocross)
Of the 'kooks, the V12 is a good introductory tire for a street/track car. Good in the wet. As speeds and your skills go up they will start chunking and you will need to find something else. The RS-3 is a step up and is fairly immune from chunking. With tread depth it is decent in the wet, but gets poor in the wet rather quickly with wear. The Z214 C51 is a wonderful tire on my M3. As you down that list, the cost goes up and lifetime goes down. The Z214s will heat cycle out in about 18 sessions.
I like the Nitto NT01 as a DE tire because they are reasonably economical, do not chunk, and are good down to the cords, so they don't heat cycle out. NT-01s are poor in the wet. I use a set of Nitto NT05s as wets. NT05s also make for a good novice tire as they don't chunk even with hard use. Wet traction is good until almost all the tread is gone and they are okay in the dry down to the cords. NT-05s are also cheap and I'd rate them above the V12s. The NT01 is a DOTR, but behaves very much like a street tire.
There are other tire choices available as well. Some of that rubber you listed gets rather pricey. I personally don't like to buy speed - I'd rather just get better myself.
-Mike
Thats a lot of typing
07-16-2016, 12:04 AM
#2634
07-16-2016, 08:57 AM
#2635
-Mike
07-17-2016, 03:48 PM
#2637
Drifting
As a novice, you don't need the most grip. You need a predictable tire that will hold up (not chunk) and likely need something that won't break the bank.
Hankook Ventus isn't enough of a description as there are (among others)
Of the 'kooks, the V12 is a good introductory tire for a street/track car. Good in the wet. As speeds and your skills go up they will start chunking and you will need to find something else. The RS-3 is a step up and is fairly immune from chunking. With tread depth it is decent in the wet, but gets poor in the wet rather quickly with wear. The Z214 C51 is a wonderful tire on my M3. As you down that list, the cost goes up and lifetime goes down. The Z214s will heat cycle out in about 18 sessions.
I like the Nitto NT01 as a DE tire because they are reasonably economical, do not chunk, and are good down to the cords, so they don't heat cycle out. NT-01s are poor in the wet. I use a set of Nitto NT05s as wets. NT05s also make for a good novice tire as they don't chunk even with hard use. Wet traction is good until almost all the tread is gone and they are okay in the dry down to the cords. NT-05s are also cheap and I'd rate them above the V12s. The NT01 is a DOTR, but behaves very much like a street tire.
There are other tire choices available as well. Some of that rubber you listed gets rather pricey. I personally don't like to buy speed - I'd rather just get better myself.
-Mike
Hankook Ventus isn't enough of a description as there are (among others)
- Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110
- Hankook Ventus RS-3
- Hankook Ventus Z214 C51 (Roadrace)
- Hankook Ventus Z214 C71 (Autocross)
Of the 'kooks, the V12 is a good introductory tire for a street/track car. Good in the wet. As speeds and your skills go up they will start chunking and you will need to find something else. The RS-3 is a step up and is fairly immune from chunking. With tread depth it is decent in the wet, but gets poor in the wet rather quickly with wear. The Z214 C51 is a wonderful tire on my M3. As you down that list, the cost goes up and lifetime goes down. The Z214s will heat cycle out in about 18 sessions.
I like the Nitto NT01 as a DE tire because they are reasonably economical, do not chunk, and are good down to the cords, so they don't heat cycle out. NT-01s are poor in the wet. I use a set of Nitto NT05s as wets. NT05s also make for a good novice tire as they don't chunk even with hard use. Wet traction is good until almost all the tread is gone and they are okay in the dry down to the cords. NT-05s are also cheap and I'd rate them above the V12s. The NT01 is a DOTR, but behaves very much like a street tire.
There are other tire choices available as well. Some of that rubber you listed gets rather pricey. I personally don't like to buy speed - I'd rather just get better myself.
-Mike
07-18-2016, 04:09 PM
#2638
Burning Brakes
A quick unsolicited advert for Dave...
I spent the day with him at HPR this past Friday. I'm not a slouch behind the wheel, but there was/is definitely room for improvement. And man oh man did we find some improvement. I've never felt as confident and comfortable in the car - picked up a couple of seconds/lap from where I've been this year.
I spent the day with him at HPR this past Friday. I'm not a slouch behind the wheel, but there was/is definitely room for improvement. And man oh man did we find some improvement. I've never felt as confident and comfortable in the car - picked up a couple of seconds/lap from where I've been this year.
07-18-2016, 04:28 PM
#2639
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Steve, thank you very much for the kind words and sentiment. It truly was a pleasure working with you & riding as your passenger! And yeah, we did find some things that really elevated your driving. I look forward to doing more with you!
07-18-2016, 05:29 PM
#2640
Burning Brakes
