Question for your consideration.
03-31-2011 | 10:32 AM
#31
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I am in that situation in PBOC races all the time. Me and the Vipers and Corvettes. IMHO those cars are both as fast or faster than ours (yours and mine) sorry. but the answer to your question is that his car should be faster than yours (sorry) and you compensate by being a better driver.
now my car(was like yours) is 2700 pounds and 700hp you can use that if you like next time you are at sebring!
tom
now my car(was like yours) is 2700 pounds and 700hp you can use that if you like next time you are at sebring!
tom
03-31-2011 | 10:41 AM
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Funny you mention that. I did the very thing, told him: "We both time in each other's car, then in our own. I guarantee I'll post a better time in both." He chickened out, said something to the effect that his seat was fixed, could not be adjusted, etc. (something that would only be to his advantage, as I'm shorter than him).
This guy is the king of lame excuses, so much so that at one of our events we all signed a shop towel with a sharpie, offering new ideas for excuses, called it "Ed's excuse towel" and handed it to him in an impromptu ceremony at the track.
Just yesterday he was calling me a chicken for not accepting his "challenge" to time our cars against each other at our next event. He also offered this subtle hint as to his intentions:
"Now I just have three weeks to trailer Vette over to England Green in Houston and add the 175hp head/cam package. Should be ready in time...."
He's gonna need each and every one of those extra horsies to even come close to my time.
What an idiot. He just doesn't get it.
This guy is the king of lame excuses, so much so that at one of our events we all signed a shop towel with a sharpie, offering new ideas for excuses, called it "Ed's excuse towel" and handed it to him in an impromptu ceremony at the track.
Just yesterday he was calling me a chicken for not accepting his "challenge" to time our cars against each other at our next event. He also offered this subtle hint as to his intentions:
"Now I just have three weeks to trailer Vette over to England Green in Houston and add the 175hp head/cam package. Should be ready in time...."
He's gonna need each and every one of those extra horsies to even come close to my time.
What an idiot. He just doesn't get it.
03-31-2011 | 10:50 AM
#34
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In that case, what about doing a time-trial event, and have official times with less room for excuses...
-Z
03-31-2011 | 11:26 AM
#35
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Yes, his car SHOULD be faster than yours, but AWD is like cliff notes, it gives you shortcuts to the end result. If your car is only 500 hp, he should walk you badly on the straights, stop way better and turn at least as fast. Your only advantage is being able to put more power down on corner exit.
Sounds like he knows what time it is which is why he won't agree to any sort of confirmation. It's unlikely he will let anyone else drive his car to prove it either. The best way not to eat crow is to just prevent anything that might reveal the truth.
Just keep leaving him in the dust at DE's, and then talk trash when it's over. That should be reward enough.
BTW, 996 TT's are underestimated, they are fast machines.
Sounds like he knows what time it is which is why he won't agree to any sort of confirmation. It's unlikely he will let anyone else drive his car to prove it either. The best way not to eat crow is to just prevent anything that might reveal the truth.
Just keep leaving him in the dust at DE's, and then talk trash when it's over. That should be reward enough.
BTW, 996 TT's are underestimated, they are fast machines.
03-31-2011 | 11:26 AM
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Tom, no need to feel sorry, that's my point exactly. His car should actually be faster than mine, no doubt. It all comes down to driver ability in this case.
By the way, your car is looking good as always, thanks for the offer. I fear that if I drove that thing I'd be tempted to strip mine and go all the way.
Z-man: we actually were doing a time-trial like event, two cars on track at the same time, no impedes possible.
BTW, you guys might like my response to his hint about adding more hp to his car:
By the way, your car is looking good as always, thanks for the offer. I fear that if I drove that thing I'd be tempted to strip mine and go all the way.
Z-man: we actually were doing a time-trial like event, two cars on track at the same time, no impedes possible.
BTW, you guys might like my response to his hint about adding more hp to his car:
Why don't you save the money and take a driving course instead?
Trust me, your problem is NOT the car.
My 90 year-old grandma could post a better time in your car.
Trust me, your problem is NOT the car.
My 90 year-old grandma could post a better time in your car.
03-31-2011 | 11:58 AM
#39
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It sounds like you need more worthy competition. Why not run some NASA time trials against real competitors? Or better yet get your W2W license. Beating a guy like this isn't even worth the effort. Once you start running against real competitors you'll completely forget this guy.
03-31-2011 | 12:50 PM
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So yes his car should be faster, but there are many reasons why even in the hands a neutral driver may not be.
So I think it is pointless to continue to even worry about it.
03-31-2011 | 12:52 PM
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GTS2 is a much different class than it was two years ago. The level of competition has grown immensely. I would say the Mid Atlantic GTS2 guys are very quick.
03-31-2011 | 02:14 PM
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03-31-2011 | 02:49 PM
#45
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That may be true. But last year in Great Lakes Region 13 out of 15 GTS2 races, including all of the Mid Ohio races were won by Porsche. None were won by BMW.