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2010 British Grand Prix
07-09-2010, 06:54 AM
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Horner: No favouritism in chassis choice
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, July 8th 2010, 17:38 GMT
Red Bull Racing boss Christian Horner has dismissed suggestions that the team's decision to give Mark Webber a chassis recently rejected by Sebastian Vettel is a sign of favouritism within the Milton Keynes outfit.
Webber's huge accident in Valencia has forced a chassis shuffle for this weekend's British Grand Prix - with Webber taking chassis number 3 for Silverstone. This is the same one that Vettel ditched after the team discovered problems with it after Monaco.
Ohhh bwoy ......
Amazing the mentality of those who call themselves F1 race fans, yet promote this kind of farce, by supporting the sport's newest super Prat, Vettel ......
Maybe Webbo might get back his old chassis..............
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, July 8th 2010, 17:38 GMT
Red Bull Racing boss Christian Horner has dismissed suggestions that the team's decision to give Mark Webber a chassis recently rejected by Sebastian Vettel is a sign of favouritism within the Milton Keynes outfit.
Webber's huge accident in Valencia has forced a chassis shuffle for this weekend's British Grand Prix - with Webber taking chassis number 3 for Silverstone. This is the same one that Vettel ditched after the team discovered problems with it after Monaco.
Ohhh bwoy ......
Amazing the mentality of those who call themselves F1 race fans, yet promote this kind of farce, by supporting the sport's newest super Prat, Vettel ......
Maybe Webbo might get back his old chassis..............
07-09-2010, 09:07 AM
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07-09-2010, 12:19 PM
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How bout the rest of that article Wayne... Webber and Vettel have already switched chassis this season. Here are the results from practice 2:
1. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:31.234 15
2. Alonso Ferrari 1:31.626 + 0.392 26
3. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:31.875 + 0.641 24
4. Massa Ferrari 1:32.099 + 0.865 25
5. Rosberg Mercedes 1:32.166 + 0.932 29
6. Schumacher Mercedes 1:32.660 + 1.426 27
7. Petrov Renault 1:32.745 + 1.511 28
8. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.757 + 1.523 22
9. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:32.787 + 1.553 27
10. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:32.967 + 1.733 32
11. Kubica Renault 1:33.019 + 1.785 30
12. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:33.164 + 1.930 28
13. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:33.200 + 1.966 24
14. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:33.402 + 2.168 23
15. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:33.728 + 2.494 27
16. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:33.836 + 2.602 36
17. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari 1:34.051 + 2.817 29
18. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:34.643 + 3.409 36
19. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:35.465 + 4.231 25
20. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:36.237 + 5.003 24
21. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:36.553 + 5.319 21
22. Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 1:37.019 + 5.785 27
23. Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 1:38.303 + 7.069 32
24. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:42.901 + 11.667 3
1. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:31.234 15
2. Alonso Ferrari 1:31.626 + 0.392 26
3. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:31.875 + 0.641 24
4. Massa Ferrari 1:32.099 + 0.865 25
5. Rosberg Mercedes 1:32.166 + 0.932 29
6. Schumacher Mercedes 1:32.660 + 1.426 27
7. Petrov Renault 1:32.745 + 1.511 28
8. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.757 + 1.523 22
9. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:32.787 + 1.553 27
10. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:32.967 + 1.733 32
11. Kubica Renault 1:33.019 + 1.785 30
12. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:33.164 + 1.930 28
13. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:33.200 + 1.966 24
14. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:33.402 + 2.168 23
15. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:33.728 + 2.494 27
16. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:33.836 + 2.602 36
17. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari 1:34.051 + 2.817 29
18. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:34.643 + 3.409 36
19. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:35.465 + 4.231 25
20. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:36.237 + 5.003 24
21. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:36.553 + 5.319 21
22. Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 1:37.019 + 5.785 27
23. Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 1:38.303 + 7.069 32
24. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:42.901 + 11.667 3
"If we were favouring one over the other, you could do it in different ways. If you look at it objectively, Sebastian is in the car that Mark raced in Bahrain at the first GP, and so effectively all they have done is swap chassis.
"During the course of the year, both drivers – nine out of 10 times – get to drive all the chassis that you have produced so they are just like any other component. There is nothing special; there is nothing secretive about them. They are effectively a bracket that you bolt bits to."
Horner confirmed that the damage to chassis #3 had been around the front suspension pick-up point – and also that the team would now be working on a fifth car in the wake of Webber's accident.
"We initially hadn't planned to build a fifth chassis but now we have lost one then yes, inevitably, the fifth one will come on stream at some point," he said.
Vettel was also sure that there would be no lingering problems for Webber – despite the difficulties he encountered with the car earlier in the year.
"There is nothing wrong with it," he said. "The chassis at the point it was changed was cracked, but since then it has been repaired so it is fine."
"During the course of the year, both drivers – nine out of 10 times – get to drive all the chassis that you have produced so they are just like any other component. There is nothing special; there is nothing secretive about them. They are effectively a bracket that you bolt bits to."
Horner confirmed that the damage to chassis #3 had been around the front suspension pick-up point – and also that the team would now be working on a fifth car in the wake of Webber's accident.
"We initially hadn't planned to build a fifth chassis but now we have lost one then yes, inevitably, the fifth one will come on stream at some point," he said.
Vettel was also sure that there would be no lingering problems for Webber – despite the difficulties he encountered with the car earlier in the year.
"There is nothing wrong with it," he said. "The chassis at the point it was changed was cracked, but since then it has been repaired so it is fine."
07-09-2010, 01:23 PM
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How bout the rest of that article Wayne... Webber and Vettel have already switched chassis this season. Here are the results from practice 2:
1. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:31.234 15
2. Alonso Ferrari 1:31.626 + 0.392 26
3. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:31.875 + 0.641 24 4. Massa Ferrari 1:32.099 + 0.865 25
5. Rosberg Mercedes 1:32.166 + 0.932 29
6. Schumacher Mercedes 1:32.660 + 1.426 27
7. Petrov Renault 1:32.745 + 1.511 28
8. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.757 + 1.523 22
9. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:32.787 + 1.553 27
10. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:32.967 + 1.733 32
11. Kubica Renault 1:33.019 + 1.785 30
12. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:33.164 + 1.930 28
13. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:33.200 + 1.966 24
14. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:33.402 + 2.168 23
15. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:33.728 + 2.494 27
16. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:33.836 + 2.602 36
17. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari 1:34.051 + 2.817 29
18. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:34.643 + 3.409 36
19. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:35.465 + 4.231 25
20. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:36.237 + 5.003 24
21. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:36.553 + 5.319 21
22. Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 1:37.019 + 5.785 27
23. Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 1:38.303 + 7.069 32
24. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:42.901 + 11.667 3
1. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:31.234 15
2. Alonso Ferrari 1:31.626 + 0.392 26
3. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:31.875 + 0.641 24 4. Massa Ferrari 1:32.099 + 0.865 25
5. Rosberg Mercedes 1:32.166 + 0.932 29
6. Schumacher Mercedes 1:32.660 + 1.426 27
7. Petrov Renault 1:32.745 + 1.511 28
8. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.757 + 1.523 22
9. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:32.787 + 1.553 27
10. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:32.967 + 1.733 32
11. Kubica Renault 1:33.019 + 1.785 30
12. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:33.164 + 1.930 28
13. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:33.200 + 1.966 24
14. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:33.402 + 2.168 23
15. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:33.728 + 2.494 27
16. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:33.836 + 2.602 36
17. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari 1:34.051 + 2.817 29
18. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:34.643 + 3.409 36
19. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:35.465 + 4.231 25
20. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:36.237 + 5.003 24
21. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:36.553 + 5.319 21
22. Chandhok HRT-Cosworth 1:37.019 + 5.785 27
23. Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 1:38.303 + 7.069 32
24. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:42.901 + 11.667 3
I know it's only Friday practice, but as I said, if Webber beats Vettel in the "damaged and now repaired Chassis", Vettel isn't going to look so good.
During the 2nd practice, they mentioned that the chassis that Webber crashed at Valencia would be repaired as well and put into service as a backup chassis just like this one was.
BTW, Wayne has a nasty habit of omitting particular sections of stories to suit his point of view. We've caught him doing it before. Let's just leave it at that, but thanks for catching that.
07-09-2010, 01:41 PM
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What hevar dood !
Well if you guys , think Horners explanation was sufficent , what can i say , the crux of the situation is what i had posted , the chassis was rejected by Vettel , given to Webbo , the rest is Horners PR spit talk..
Mark has never raced that chassis and Vettel hasn't since Monaco , if Horner wanted to prove his point he should have given Vettel back that chassis after repair , or did you guys leave that out 2 .
The facts are the facts , Vettel is not driving that chassis , vettel is slower than webber , Vettel is being assisted by the team , regardless of what Horner and anyone else at red bull has to say, Regardless of the 1 kg of bondo attached , we all know 1 kg means nothing in F1 ....
ITC must be dis-appointed , Alonso and Ferrari looking bad again .
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:31.234 15
2. Alonso Ferrari 1:31.626 + 0.392 26
3. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:31.875 + 0.641 24
4. Massa Ferrari 1:32.099 + 0.865 25
5. Rosberg Mercedes 1:32.166 + 0.932 29
Well if you guys , think Horners explanation was sufficent , what can i say , the crux of the situation is what i had posted , the chassis was rejected by Vettel , given to Webbo , the rest is Horners PR spit talk..
Mark has never raced that chassis and Vettel hasn't since Monaco , if Horner wanted to prove his point he should have given Vettel back that chassis after repair , or did you guys leave that out 2 .
The facts are the facts , Vettel is not driving that chassis , vettel is slower than webber , Vettel is being assisted by the team , regardless of what Horner and anyone else at red bull has to say, Regardless of the 1 kg of bondo attached , we all know 1 kg means nothing in F1 ....
ITC must be dis-appointed , Alonso and Ferrari looking bad again .
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:31.234 15
2. Alonso Ferrari 1:31.626 + 0.392 26
3. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:31.875 + 0.641 24
4. Massa Ferrari 1:32.099 + 0.865 25
5. Rosberg Mercedes 1:32.166 + 0.932 29
07-09-2010, 01:49 PM
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Fact: Vettel is not driving that chassis.
Fact/speculation: Vettel and Webber both appear to be on top pace for this race. (Vettel in Practice 1, Webber in practice 2) Remember we don't know fuel loads etc. so no conclusive evidence is here to say that one is 'slower' than the other.
Speculation: Vettel is being assisted by the team (assuming you mean preferential treatment)
07-09-2010, 01:56 PM
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Wayne, sometimes I actually agree with what you have to say... but the way you present your arguments is very poor. You are confusing speculation with facts and then taking logical leaps based on the speculation and not the actual facts.
Fact: Vettel is not driving that chassis.
Fact/speculation: Vettel and Webber both appear to be on top pace for this race. (Vettel in Practice 1, Webber in practice 2) Remember we don't know fuel loads etc. so no conclusive evidence is here to say that one is 'slower' than the other.
Speculation: Vettel is being assisted by the team (assuming you mean preferential treatment)
Fact: Vettel is not driving that chassis.
Fact/speculation: Vettel and Webber both appear to be on top pace for this race. (Vettel in Practice 1, Webber in practice 2) Remember we don't know fuel loads etc. so no conclusive evidence is here to say that one is 'slower' than the other.
Speculation: Vettel is being assisted by the team (assuming you mean preferential treatment)
Are you saying that Vettel is not receiving special treatment from RB and is not slower than Webbo ?
Fact : Vettel is being given preferential treatment by the team.
Fact : He is slower than Webbo
Fact : Webber has never raced bondo chassis 1 until now
Fact: Vettel hasn't raced it since Monaco ..
Fact: RB Bondo 1 is carrying 1Kg more in weight = slower chassis ...
Fact: Horner never told Vettel to get back in Bondo 1.
Fact: Webbo has to drive Bondo 1 ....
Mark was in the same situation at Williams when he was consistently faster than Rosberg.
Conjecture : That Vettel is top tier.
Fact: He is driving a car that has an advantage over the field as much as button was last year and he can't get it done! RB has made a big mistake , winning an F1 championship requires a certain , harmony , rhythm and pace.... driver , car and team ! Webbo had just starting to display such when he was derailed by the team .
Conjecture: I don't believe Vettel is in the same league as the other top tier drivers , Hamilton will learn a lot from Button about Pace and how much to use , if he does , then Watch out !!!!.
ALonso
Hamilton
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Button
Webber
Kubica
Vettel
The top 6 currently in the sport , Alonso and Hamilton is on another level from the rest .
I hope the racing gods are watching , another faux champion the sport does not need...
Last edited by A.Wayne; 07-09-2010 at 02:49 PM.
07-09-2010, 02:05 PM
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I don't think I said that at all did I? Assumptions are sometimes correct, but you still have to recognize that they are assumptions. Go through your list of facts again and try to figure out what can be known for sure and which you are speculating at.
Fact : Vettel is being given preferential treatment by the team This is not possible to know unless you are an insider
Fact : He is slower than Webbo Not possible to quantify
Fact Webber has never raced bondo chassis 2 until now might actually be a fact
Fact: Vettel hasn't raced it since Monaco .. An actual fact
Fact: he is carrying 1Kg more in weight , slower chassis ... dig ! Partially fact as they will take 1Kg off the ballast, but still a disadvantage
Fact : Vettel is being given preferential treatment by the team This is not possible to know unless you are an insider
Fact : He is slower than Webbo Not possible to quantify
Fact Webber has never raced bondo chassis 2 until now might actually be a fact
Fact: Vettel hasn't raced it since Monaco .. An actual fact
Fact: he is carrying 1Kg more in weight , slower chassis ... dig ! Partially fact as they will take 1Kg off the ballast, but still a disadvantage
07-09-2010, 02:09 PM
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07-09-2010, 02:22 PM
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Hamilton is easily a tier above Vettel , Vettel's car is 2 tiers above Hamilton's, Vettel is still wearing his training wheels, it might be a race ... stay tuned !!!!
Last edited by A.Wayne; 07-09-2010 at 02:39 PM.
07-09-2010, 03:13 PM
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07-09-2010, 03:57 PM
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Hello Justin ..
Are you saying that Vettel is not receiving special treatment from RB and is not slower than Webbo ?
Fact : Vettel is being given preferential treatment by the team.
Fact : He is slower than Webbo
Fact : Webber has never raced bondo chassis 1 until now
Fact: Vettel hasn't raced it since Monaco ..
Fact: RB Bondo 1 is carrying 1Kg more in weight = slower chassis ...
Fact: Horner never told Vettel to get back in Bondo 1.
Fact: Webbo has to drive Bondo 1 ....
Mark was in the same situation at Williams when he was consistently faster than Rosberg.
Conjecture : That Vettel is top tier.
Fact: He is driving a car that has an advantage over the field as much as button was last year and he can't get it done! RB has made a big mistake , winning an F1 championship requires a certain , harmony , rhythm and pace.... driver , car and team ! Webbo had just starting to display such when he was derailed by the team .
Conjecture: I don't believe Vettel is in the same league as the other top tier drivers , Hamilton will learn a lot from Button about Pace and how much to use , if he does , then Watch out !!!!.
ALonso
Hamilton
.
Button
Webber
Kubica
Vettel
The top 6 currently in the sport , Alonso and Hamilton is on another level from the rest .
I hope the racing gods are watching , another faux champion the sport does not need...
Are you saying that Vettel is not receiving special treatment from RB and is not slower than Webbo ?
Fact : Vettel is being given preferential treatment by the team.
Fact : He is slower than Webbo
Fact : Webber has never raced bondo chassis 1 until now
Fact: Vettel hasn't raced it since Monaco ..
Fact: RB Bondo 1 is carrying 1Kg more in weight = slower chassis ...
Fact: Horner never told Vettel to get back in Bondo 1.
Fact: Webbo has to drive Bondo 1 ....
Mark was in the same situation at Williams when he was consistently faster than Rosberg.
Conjecture : That Vettel is top tier.
Fact: He is driving a car that has an advantage over the field as much as button was last year and he can't get it done! RB has made a big mistake , winning an F1 championship requires a certain , harmony , rhythm and pace.... driver , car and team ! Webbo had just starting to display such when he was derailed by the team .
Conjecture: I don't believe Vettel is in the same league as the other top tier drivers , Hamilton will learn a lot from Button about Pace and how much to use , if he does , then Watch out !!!!.
ALonso
Hamilton
.
Button
Webber
Kubica
Vettel
The top 6 currently in the sport , Alonso and Hamilton is on another level from the rest .
I hope the racing gods are watching , another faux champion the sport does not need...
You MFer. Look who just made it into A. Wayne's top 3 driver list!! The guy he's been campaigning about for over a year on how he wasn't fit to be a WDC and he is a faux champion and now he's got him in the 3 slot!!!!I guess he made a believer out of you in a better chassis?
You know I love you, you goofball
07-09-2010, 04:14 PM
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You MFer. Look who just made it into A. Wayne's top 3 driver list!! The guy he's been campaigning about for over a year on how he wasn't fit to be a WDC and he is a faux champion and now he's got him in the 3 slot!!!!I guess he made a believer out of you in a better chassis?
You know I love you, you goofball
