Team orders at McLaren
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Hamilton told Button would not pass him
By Jonathan Noble Monday, June 7th 2010, 08:35 GMT
Lewis Hamilton was told by his McLaren team during the Turkish Grand Prix that team-mate Jenson Button would not overtake him once they switched to fuel-saving mode - moments before the reigning world champion passed him.
In a fresh twist to what happened during an Istanbul event that had already seen Red Bull Racing duo Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel come together, the official race video edit on formula1.com has offered a new perspective into the battle between Hamilton and Button.
In the video extract, which comes shortly after the Webber/Vettel collision has moved the McLaren duo to the front of the field, the team comes on the radio and tells Hamilton: "Lewis, we need you to save fuel. Both cars are doing the same."
Hamilton responds and expresses his concerns that although he has backed off to save fuel, Button is gaining on him. "Jenson's closing in on me, you guys."
After the team acknowledges that message, Hamilton then asks: "If I back off, is Jenson going to pass me or not?"
McLaren's answer is: "No, Lewis. No."
It is unclear if Button was given, or understood, any message to not pass Hamilton - but the Hamilton radio conversation may explain why the 2008 champion was so keen to retake the lead as soon as he had lost it.
Hamilton told Button would not pass him
By Jonathan Noble Monday, June 7th 2010, 08:35 GMT
Lewis Hamilton was told by his McLaren team during the Turkish Grand Prix that team-mate Jenson Button would not overtake him once they switched to fuel-saving mode - moments before the reigning world champion passed him.
In a fresh twist to what happened during an Istanbul event that had already seen Red Bull Racing duo Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel come together, the official race video edit on formula1.com has offered a new perspective into the battle between Hamilton and Button.
In the video extract, which comes shortly after the Webber/Vettel collision has moved the McLaren duo to the front of the field, the team comes on the radio and tells Hamilton: "Lewis, we need you to save fuel. Both cars are doing the same."
Hamilton responds and expresses his concerns that although he has backed off to save fuel, Button is gaining on him. "Jenson's closing in on me, you guys."
After the team acknowledges that message, Hamilton then asks: "If I back off, is Jenson going to pass me or not?"
McLaren's answer is: "No, Lewis. No."
It is unclear if Button was given, or understood, any message to not pass Hamilton - but the Hamilton radio conversation may explain why the 2008 champion was so keen to retake the lead as soon as he had lost it.
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Since the teams can't come on the radio and give the blatant team orders of the Ferrari/Schumi era, they have now resorted to "save fuel", "go easy on your brakes", "save tires" and/or "lower your revs and save the engine" as a way to manipulate the results, hence team orders.
What happened @ Istanbul was a bit of a surprise. If McLaren gave the orders in the hopes that Button would pass Lewis and therefore favoring Jenson over Hamilton, I'm shocked! Only because I always thought, no matter what, Lewis is the "preferred" driver @ McLaren.
Then again Button has completely out-performed Lewis thus far this year.
What happened @ Istanbul was a bit of a surprise. If McLaren gave the orders in the hopes that Button would pass Lewis and therefore favoring Jenson over Hamilton, I'm shocked! Only because I always thought, no matter what, Lewis is the "preferred" driver @ McLaren.
Then again Button has completely out-performed Lewis thus far this year.
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Since the teams can't come on the radio and give the blatant team orders of the Ferrari/Schumi era, they hav now resorted to "save fuel", "going easy on your brakes", "save tires" and/or "lower your revs and save the engine" as a way to manipulate the results, hence team orders.
What happened @ Istanbul was a bit of a surprise. If McLaren gave the orders in the hopes that Button would pass Lewis and therefore favoring Jenson over Hamilton, I'm shocked! Only because I always thought, no matter what Lewis is the "preferred" driver.
The again Button has completely out-performed Lewis thus far this year.
What happened @ Istanbul was a bit of a surprise. If McLaren gave the orders in the hopes that Button would pass Lewis and therefore favoring Jenson over Hamilton, I'm shocked! Only because I always thought, no matter what Lewis is the "preferred" driver.
The again Button has completely out-performed Lewis thus far this year.
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Well in 2010 up until last race;
1) Button had two wins and Lewis had zero
2) Button has led the world championship and Lewis hasn't
3) Button was ahead in points and still is
Pace is one thing, race performance (ie results) is another.
1) Button had two wins and Lewis had zero
2) Button has led the world championship and Lewis hasn't
3) Button was ahead in points and still is
Pace is one thing, race performance (ie results) is another.
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That last race in turkey was so interesting on so many levels. IF (and I know it's a big IF), the crash doesn't happen between Vettel and Webber, who would have blinked first as it relates to turning down the revs to save fuel to get to the end? Would someone have run out going flat out from start to finish? (I'm talking about the top 4 runners)
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Okay, take away where the two DNF'd for mechanicals (Button overheat, Hamilton wheel), take away where pit strategy was a massive deciding factor (Button's wins) and we're left with a three races where straight up Hamilton beat Button.
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Problem is you can't do that. Pit strategies and the elements are all part of racing. The driver that best deals with them wins. This year favors those drivers that are easier on the equipment, less tire stops and no refueling. All the results count.
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Okay then if that's the way you are going to decide who's a better driver. How do those four points in WDC difference = completely outperformed as you said.
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Joe,
If you recall the wins by Button, one was because he was able to pit first and make his tires last until the very end. That is a direct result of the advantage he has over, dare I say it, over the rest of the field, because he IS a smooth driver.
He doesn't have the pace of Hamilton, but this year, because of the refueling ban, it plays into Button's strengths.
If you recall the wins by Button, one was because he was able to pit first and make his tires last until the very end. That is a direct result of the advantage he has over, dare I say it, over the rest of the field, because he IS a smooth driver.
He doesn't have the pace of Hamilton, but this year, because of the refueling ban, it plays into Button's strengths.