Notices
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

"Delta Wing" Indy Car concept, have we jumped the shark yet?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-10-2010, 07:36 PM
  #1  
dp35
Pro
Thread Starter
 
dp35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Walnut Creek, CA
Posts: 645
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default "Delta Wing" Indy Car concept, have we jumped the shark yet?

You be the judge.



Speed TV article
Old 02-10-2010, 07:36 PM
  #2  
SeanR
Rennlist Member
 
SeanR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 35,700
Received 500 Likes on 267 Posts
Default

Well, isn't that pretty.
Old 02-10-2010, 07:39 PM
  #3  
sparks259
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
sparks259's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Vero Beach, Fl.
Posts: 1,494
Received 84 Likes on 50 Posts
Default

looks like the totally enclosed top fuel dragster don garlits campained a few years back.
don't remember how it did, but from what i see now, some of the ideas have been incorporated into modern top fuel cars.
Old 02-10-2010, 07:52 PM
  #4  
mark kibort
Rennlist Member
 
mark kibort's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: saratoga, ca
Posts: 29,952
Received 166 Likes on 65 Posts
Default

is that for land speed record pursuits?

actually that tail is a great idea. put a vertical control surface on it, so when they have an oversteer or 200mph slide, the tail can straighten it out.
Old 02-10-2010, 07:56 PM
  #5  
mglobe
The Penguin King
Rennlist Member
 
mglobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Houston
Posts: 9,834
Received 118 Likes on 84 Posts
Default

I can't for the life of me understand how that thing can get sufficient grip on the front end. Looks ridiculous to me.
Old 02-10-2010, 07:58 PM
  #6  
SundayDriver
Lifetime Rennlist Member
 
SundayDriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: KC
Posts: 4,929
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Hmmm. That could be really exciting under trail braking. Let's see, apply the decel forces through the CG and it looks like that could be outside the front wheels. Doesn't seem like it would be stable in that condition. Nor does it seem like it would turn very well.
Old 02-10-2010, 07:59 PM
  #7  
SundayDriver
Lifetime Rennlist Member
 
SundayDriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: KC
Posts: 4,929
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mglobe
I can't for the life of me understand how that thing can get sufficient grip on the front end. Looks ridiculous to me.
All corners will be severely banked minimizing the need to actually turn.

Trending Topics

Old 02-10-2010, 08:01 PM
  #8  
Porsche917K
Three Wheelin'
 
Porsche917K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,358
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Hmmm...

Last edited by Porsche917K; 12-23-2012 at 02:44 AM.
Old 02-10-2010, 08:04 PM
  #9  
ew928
Owns the Streets
Needs Camber
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
ew928's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: New York
Posts: 10,292
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Na na na na na na na na, Batman.
Presenting the new Batmobile.

Narrow front tires. So how much grip can they generate if they use canted wheel steering.
(front wheels lean into the turn like a motorbike).
Saw some video somewhere of concept cars (Mercedes?) that used canted front wheel steering.
Old 02-10-2010, 08:08 PM
  #10  
ltc
Super Moderator
Needs More Cowbell

Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
ltc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 29,323
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 10 Posts
Default

Is that the USF1 entry for 2010 ?
Old 02-10-2010, 08:08 PM
  #11  
dp35
Pro
Thread Starter
 
dp35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Walnut Creek, CA
Posts: 645
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

How is this considered an "open wheel" car?

Of course huge aero improvements can be achieved when the front track is chopped in half & wheels are covered, how stupid do they think we are?

Why bother with a fuel flow regulator, when the same could be achieved by limiting the amount of fuel used?

My 1st thought was "no way this will turn". But this virtual demonstation removes any doubt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rah0RSIEVC8
Old 02-10-2010, 08:17 PM
  #12  
Cory M
Drifting
 
Cory M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: San Diego
Posts: 3,456
Received 74 Likes on 43 Posts
Default

...
Attached Images  
Old 02-10-2010, 08:28 PM
  #13  
Veloce Raptor
Rennlist Member
 
Veloce Raptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Guess...
Posts: 41,783
Received 1,598 Likes on 832 Posts
Default

..
Old 02-10-2010, 09:30 PM
  #14  
Larry Herman
Rennlist
Basic Site Sponsor
 
Larry Herman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus, NJ
Posts: 10,432
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Ok, my turn. That is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Looks like it was designed by a bunch of video gamers who know nothing about the laws of physics. Even the Brits got it right with a 3 wheeler Morgan by putting the single wheel IN THE BACK. HELLOoo! With no front track it is destined to tip on any kind of trail-braking what-so-ever. Ever drive a 3 wheeled ATV - wonder why they don't make them anymore? SO the designer says that they'll put the CG and center of aerodynamic pressure in the back. Wonderful, that should make it handle great. And how do you pass someone with an *** thats 3 times the width of the nose? That would be a complete crash-fest.

After 2 1/2 hours of clearing snow today and probably 2 more later tonight I feel cranky.
__________________
Larry Herman
2016 Ford Transit Connect Titanium LWB
2018 Tesla Model 3 - Electricity can be fun!
Retired Club Racer & National PCA Instructor
Past Flames:
1994 RS America Club Racer
2004 GT3 Track Car
1984 911 Carrera Club Racer
1974 914/4 2.0 Track Car

CLICK HERE to see some of my ancient racing videos.

Old 02-10-2010, 11:43 PM
  #15  
APKhaos
Drifting
 
APKhaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: McLean, VA
Posts: 2,579
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

One look at that layout and all my instincts scream WRONG!!
In fact, it looked like something a kid might draw in design school. A bit embarassing for IRL to be seriously considering somethign so laughable, right?
But here's a thought. The designer is Ben Bowlby, who was one of Lola's ace designers with some remarkable cars to his credit. If he ever gets to build it, maybe it would suprise us all?

Larry.....I definitely feel your pain! The top of the net in the center is 36"



Quick Reply: "Delta Wing" Indy Car concept, have we jumped the shark yet?



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 03:35 PM.