paradisenb

Reading the Rules and Regs regarding pricing for Nasa's endurance series has me confused. How does pricing work?

Regs say:
2.4. Races shorter than six hours
Teams must have a minimum of two drivers. One driver may drive the entire race, but must enter as both drivers and pay the minimum entry fee of a two-driver team.

Does these mean that the posted price on the registration page will be doubled or is it the full team price?

Ex: Road Atlanta 3 hr enduro is posted as $299.00. Will I have to pay this twice even if I am the only driver?

Thanks for the help.

jakermc

No, you pay one time. Enduro pricing is for the team, the number of drivers does not change the pricing. At least that is the case in TX. Technically speaking each region is a franchise and they can do what they want with regards to price.

Lemming

Yes, price is $299 for you, or you and a friend to drive. Price goes up if you have 3 drivers.

paradisenb

Thanks a lot guys. I assumed it was a team price but no where does it say 'price per team'.

One more clarification. It goes on to say: "All drivers must be NASA members and registered for the event." Is their an additional 'Event Registration' or does the enduro price cover basic registration?

HSR requires one Basic Event Registration, then separate pricing for Enduros, night races, etc. I think PCA works the same way or very similar.

Thanks

M758

contact the region on this. Each region may do it slightly different. Last Enduro in Az the fee structure was $399 for the weekend (saturday included) with sunday 3hr enduro. Co drivers optional and required $100 enduro fee.

So contact the region to ensure you are properly registered.

Lemming

Just register for the enduro ($299) and you are good to go. If you want to race the weekend sprints you will have to sign up for that as well.

The "all driver must be NASA member and registered" means that if you have a second driver, you must put their name into the enduro registration when you pay.

paradisenb

Another question. Do you guys sometime or always have to have a crew member/s for refueling, pit stops, etc. or can we just go it alone?

J richard

It depends on the length of the race and if you are doing driver changes or going ironman, either way though it really helps to have help in the pit. At the very least you need a fueler in full (driving suit helmet & gloves) gear, and someone on the fire bottle...

Lemming

You cannot go it alone, you have to have at least two people (fueler and fireman), of course you can be one of them but that means you have to take time to get out and then back into the car.

I suppose that if you are just doing it for fun and track time you could go it alone. You would have to pull into the paddock to fuel by yourself, but you would be penalized for doing so. They would not disqualify you, instead you would get a 10 minute penalty for fueling in the paddock (IIRC).

paradisenb

Ouch! Major penalty. In that case maybe I'll look for someone who want to share a crew. Probably would work if we have radios and coordinate stop.

Lemming

You won't be competitive without a crew. Ideally you want to make only one stop and take on the amount of fuel needed to get to the finish. Remember, in a race less than 6 hrs, you are not limited to the 10 gal/pit stop rule. If you need an addition 12-15 gals to finish the race, add it via three 5 gal jugs in just one pit stop.

mein51

At the NASA enduros I've done at TWS, the atmosphere is friendly enough where your pit neighbors are willing to help if needed.

Professor Helmüt Tester

Crew is over-rated.

And besides, you'll have to get out of the car whenever you're refueing.

Der Professor once finished 3rd overall & won the Spec Miata class (hint: "competitive")in a 12 hour enduro with no crew. Der Professor and his co-driver, the Dean of Tire Donuts, fueled & fire-bottled themselves (duh...we're already in nomex...), except a few times when adjacent pit buddies and pit marshal friends helped out. Overhead fuel rig helped, but wasn't necessary.

Our normal enduro crew guys were either "moving grandma", "groomsmaning a wedding" or some other nonsense, so we just "adapted". It rained on & off, too...and that actually helped us out, since we're both kick-*** in the rain.

As any racer will tell you - "The person I most admire is ME".

jaje

New 944 Spec rules allows the removal of the restricter (sp?) so you can fill up the gas tank much quicker. Makes a big difference for the Endoros and makes the 944 competitive in its class.

A lot of guys use the Enduros as testing sessions as they are the Friday evening before race weekends. Pricing is per the team regardless of # of drivers.

Lemming

Not with NASA, the driver can remain in the car.