Is an older 911 an harder car to drive well........
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this is just an opinion poll and flaming for what I think isnt really called for anyway.
I still believe a gtc4 car is harder to drive than a D car at the limit. A decent driver can be ok in a d car, he would get killed in a gtc4 car. I know I am not the only one who believes this. most just dont want to post it and go against the grain.
I still believe a gtc4 car is harder to drive than a D car at the limit. A decent driver can be ok in a d car, he would get killed in a gtc4 car. I know I am not the only one who believes this. most just dont want to post it and go against the grain.
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I don't think the initial question has anything to do with your now new argument. Start a new thread asking if driving a cup at the limit is more dangerous and challenging than driving an SC. Your likely to get the answer you want that way. Paolo's questions was more directed towards racing an older car vs a new car in the same class and what one would be easier to be fast in. Maybe Paolo should clarify with yet another new ..........thread.
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I still believe a gtc4 car is harder to drive than a D car at the limit. A decent driver can be ok in a d car, he would get killed in a gtc4 car. I know I am not the only one who believes this. most just dont want to post it and go against the grain.
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or is it just as easy as the newer ones?........
1) Is it as easy to learn to drive well as the front and mid-engined Porsche?.......
2) Is an older 911(car) driver required to be more skillfull than the other platforms in order to survive and place well, or it doesn't matter whether the "nannies" (ABS, Power Steering, PSM) in the newer cars are there on or not?
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1) Is it as easy to learn to drive well as the front and mid-engined Porsche?.......
2) Is an older 911(car) driver required to be more skillfull than the other platforms in order to survive and place well, or it doesn't matter whether the "nannies" (ABS, Power Steering, PSM) in the newer cars are there on or not?
Just looking for some discussion........
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2) PSM gets in my way, and leaving it on costs me about 1-2 seconds per lap. It also prevents me from trail braking (even mild trail braking). The ABS seems to engage far too often on a bumpy track. So, I'd argue that the "nannies", as you put it, require the driver on a newer car to be more skillful as they have to figure out how to work around those impediments.
Now, the newer cars do have better suspension technologies, but you weren't asking about that.
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Bob, you hit on the nose....![thumbup](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/thumbup.gif)
Brian, by driven well I mean podium.......BTW, can your PSM be shut off?
Gary, they all pick on the D cars cauze you guys are so darn fast with dem CT Stock engines......
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Brian, by driven well I mean podium.......BTW, can your PSM be shut off?
Gary, they all pick on the D cars cauze you guys are so darn fast with dem CT Stock engines......
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The PSM can be turned "off", but it reactivates while the brakes are being used. That's why it completely kills the ability to trail brake.
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you should just get a 911.......then you will have nothing interfering with your driving.......
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Also, you should note that according to the national PCA statistics of DE incidents, the overwhelming plurality (it was almost a majority) of incidents were with GT3's. It seems surprising that that would be the case if they were so easy to drive.
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Also, you should note that according to the national PCA statistics of DE incidents, the overwhelming plurality (it was almost a majority) of incidents were with GT3's. It seems surprising that that would be the case if they were so easy to drive.
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True, and having PSM get in the way of a more advance driver such as yourself would be a hinderance. Still the basic platform of your Boxster is far superior to what was made 20 years ago. I think that PSM does not affect the majority of drivers out there.
That doesn't surprise me. They are solid, predictable and highly communicative cars. With 400 hp though, they are not a car for the untalented. I would be interested to know what percentage of those incidents involved drivers with less than 2 or 3 years track time.
That doesn't surprise me. They are solid, predictable and highly communicative cars. With 400 hp though, they are not a car for the untalented. I would be interested to know what percentage of those incidents involved drivers with less than 2 or 3 years track time.
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I agree that the platform is better, if for no other reason than a mid-engined platform is better. The "nannies" that Paolo talks about gets in the way of a driver with even medium experience. For a racing environment (and this is the environment Paolo cares about) those nannies are definitely a detriment.