value of my 911? How to judge?
10-22-2009, 12:55 PM
#31
Three Wheelin'
Maybe, you should go back to the guys your run/ran with, who know the car and you, to see if there is anyone there (friend of a friend maybe) is interested and to see what the local market will bear... Agree with the other posts on value. I also think that a buyer from afar will have tons of questions and hedge bets by low-balling (in protection). Someone that knows you and the car, or can vouch for same, may be more comfortable offering more $ .. Just a thought. GL.
10-22-2009, 03:05 PM
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Ironically, the engine swap hurts the value in my (non expert) opinion. If you had swapped the engine for an original engine, there would be some guys interested in it for spec 996. But not with the 997 engine. It's not worth the cost and pain in the *** of swapping back given all the other donor 996's on the market.
Someone should sticky this thread as the posterchild example of why it's never a good idea to go nuts modding a street car for DE's instead of just buying an already built race car that is legal in some class.
I agree that the target buyer is an advanced DE driver who has no intention of ever racing. This car could dominate the podium at DE's.
Someone should sticky this thread as the posterchild example of why it's never a good idea to go nuts modding a street car for DE's instead of just buying an already built race car that is legal in some class.
I agree that the target buyer is an advanced DE driver who has no intention of ever racing. This car could dominate the podium at DE's.
10-22-2009, 03:05 PM
#33
Problem is there are probably less than a handful of people in the country who would have any interest in that car for the issues mentioned. It's not a daily driver and it's not a race car. It's in no man's land with paint work and an engine transplant. If you can find one of those people they might pay $25K but I think you will have the car for sale for a VERY long time at that price.
10-22-2009, 04:00 PM
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Why don’t you schedule a “Thelma and Louise” day at some local cliff, pack the bonnet with gas cans, and then post a “Fall Funds Drive” (forgive the pun) for donations from all the Rennlist Forum members. I’d bet you could get $20,000 in donations if you did a live web-cast.
I knew a guy who wrecked his 360 Ferrari. The insurance totaled it. He bought it back, glassed it up, and sold it to a Hollywood studio that wrecked it in a movie. That’s a second option.
I knew a guy who wrecked his 360 Ferrari. The insurance totaled it. He bought it back, glassed it up, and sold it to a Hollywood studio that wrecked it in a movie. That’s a second option.
10-22-2009, 04:01 PM
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to give you some hope, there are plenty of people out thee who want to DE and have no intention of ever racing. This may be a good car for them. Just need to find the right person, good luck.
10-22-2009, 04:13 PM
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I knew someone that was in a similar situation and it took him about 2 years to sell it, and this was when the economy was extremely good.
Good luck.
10-22-2009, 04:46 PM
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If you can't find a DE buyer you could pull the cage, plug in the A/C and restore the OEM harness, yielding a warmed-over street car for a much larger market.
10-22-2009, 05:11 PM
#38
Boy I'd love to see the $62k itemized. I'm guessing $20-22k for the 997 motor. That leave $40k for the other stuff. Doesn't compute?
I think the car is easily worth over $15k. $20-23k is my guess. Lots of nice parts. I'm guessing the 997 motor alone is worth $7-8k, seats and harnesses $2k, cup parts plus lwf have to be worth $4-5k, trans w/LSD has value too. Sell all that and you still have a caged tub that a spec 996 racer may buy for another $4-5k. Is the cage a bolt-in or good KMR welded cage?
I think the car is easily worth over $15k. $20-23k is my guess. Lots of nice parts. I'm guessing the 997 motor alone is worth $7-8k, seats and harnesses $2k, cup parts plus lwf have to be worth $4-5k, trans w/LSD has value too. Sell all that and you still have a caged tub that a spec 996 racer may buy for another $4-5k. Is the cage a bolt-in or good KMR welded cage?
10-22-2009, 05:12 PM
#39
Racer
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First of all, I am not a big expert in 996 values, so keep in mind this advice should be qualified.
It seems the general consensus here is that $25K is the upper end of what you may get, but $20K might be more realistic. If you want to find a non-racer customer that is willing to pay $25K, I think you will have to have some issues addressed on the car (from what you describe) that will likely eat up that $5K difference.
First is the paintwork: Since the car already has some (presumably quite a bit) non-original paint, you already are taking that hit. The only way to mitigate that is to ensure that the paint on the car is outstanding. Very nicely done work that is fresh and backed up by receipts from a reputable shop will help. You mention it is looking tired in the lower areas, so this might be something to consider. Non-original paint that needs to be renewed hurts twice.
The AC… This car is not like a modified ‘80s 911 where the owner has deliberately deleted the AC for performance reasons. There are a fair number of people who don’t care for AC on those older 911s, and if done properly on a nice car, an AC delete does not necessarily turn off everyone (although this depends a lot on the climate!)
On a 996, disconnected AC just shouts “corner cut, job left un-done”. From a buyer’s perspective, I would be suspicious of the attention to detail that was taken with the rest of the work on the car.
I think to get top dollar you really have to present a no-issues car.
Although not in the same dollar range as you, I too have bought an (older) 911 and have spent too much on it and will NEVER see any $ return if I sell.
It seems the general consensus here is that $25K is the upper end of what you may get, but $20K might be more realistic. If you want to find a non-racer customer that is willing to pay $25K, I think you will have to have some issues addressed on the car (from what you describe) that will likely eat up that $5K difference.
First is the paintwork: Since the car already has some (presumably quite a bit) non-original paint, you already are taking that hit. The only way to mitigate that is to ensure that the paint on the car is outstanding. Very nicely done work that is fresh and backed up by receipts from a reputable shop will help. You mention it is looking tired in the lower areas, so this might be something to consider. Non-original paint that needs to be renewed hurts twice.
The AC… This car is not like a modified ‘80s 911 where the owner has deliberately deleted the AC for performance reasons. There are a fair number of people who don’t care for AC on those older 911s, and if done properly on a nice car, an AC delete does not necessarily turn off everyone (although this depends a lot on the climate!)
On a 996, disconnected AC just shouts “corner cut, job left un-done”. From a buyer’s perspective, I would be suspicious of the attention to detail that was taken with the rest of the work on the car.
I think to get top dollar you really have to present a no-issues car.
Although not in the same dollar range as you, I too have bought an (older) 911 and have spent too much on it and will NEVER see any $ return if I sell.
10-22-2009, 05:15 PM
#40
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Problem is there are probably less than a handful of people in the country who would have any interest in that car for the issues mentioned. It's not a daily driver and it's not a race car. It's in no man's land with paint work and an engine transplant. If you can find one of those people they might pay $25K but I think you will have the car for sale for a VERY long time at that price.
NASA GTS-4 is where this car would be headed, but with lots of work still. I think you could sell it much faster at $20K if you target either an individual or a shop looking to build for that class. Start here in the GTS forum and the for sale section: http://www.nasaforums.com/index.php
I know a couple of people who are interested in a 996 donor. If you are willing to take $20K, I can pass this lead along.
I would also try and find some shops that look to build this kind of stuff for their customers, but then you are probably talking $15K if they buy direct. May get more if they are already actively helping a customer find a donor and you transact with the customer directly.
NASA GTS-4 is where this car would be headed, but with lots of work still. I think you could sell it much faster at $20K if you target either an individual or a shop looking to build for that class. Start here in the GTS forum and the for sale section: http://www.nasaforums.com/index.php
I know a couple of people who are interested in a 996 donor. If you are willing to take $20K, I can pass this lead along.
I would also try and find some shops that look to build this kind of stuff for their customers, but then you are probably talking $15K if they buy direct. May get more if they are already actively helping a customer find a donor and you transact with the customer directly.
10-22-2009, 05:22 PM
#41
Racer
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......Someone should sticky this thread as the posterchild example of why it's never a good idea to go nuts modding a street car for DE's instead of just buying an already built race car that is legal in some class.
I agree that the target buyer is an advanced DE driver who has no intention of ever racing. This car could dominate the podium at DE's.
I agree that the target buyer is an advanced DE driver who has no intention of ever racing. This car could dominate the podium at DE's.
10-22-2009, 05:25 PM
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10-22-2009, 05:31 PM
#43
Racer
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Boy I'd love to see the $62k itemized. I'm guessing $20-22k for the 997 motor. That leave $40k for the other stuff. Doesn't compute?
I think the car is easily worth over $15k. $20-23k is my guess. Lots of nice parts. I'm guessing the 997 motor alone is worth $7-8k, seats and harnesses $2k, cup parts plus lwf have to be worth $4-5k, trans w/LSD has value too. Sell all that and you still have a caged tub that a spec 996 racer may buy for another $4-5k. Is the cage a bolt-in or good KMR welded cage?
I think the car is easily worth over $15k. $20-23k is my guess. Lots of nice parts. I'm guessing the 997 motor alone is worth $7-8k, seats and harnesses $2k, cup parts plus lwf have to be worth $4-5k, trans w/LSD has value too. Sell all that and you still have a caged tub that a spec 996 racer may buy for another $4-5k. Is the cage a bolt-in or good KMR welded cage?
10-22-2009, 05:38 PM
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My cousin just sold his 2001 996 cab three weeks ago, he went to 3 different dealers in the Charlotte, NC area. He brought the car 2yrs ago for $38,000 with 22,000 miles on the odometer.
Carmax offer him $19,000, Hendricks Porsche offer him $20,000, he ended selling it to an Independent Dealer out at Lake Norman $23,000. His car only had 32,000 miles on it and was in excellent condition.
A 1999 996 in todays market even with a number of modifications is not going to warrant what you are trying to get. I wish you the best on selling your car.
Carmax offer him $19,000, Hendricks Porsche offer him $20,000, he ended selling it to an Independent Dealer out at Lake Norman $23,000. His car only had 32,000 miles on it and was in excellent condition.
A 1999 996 in todays market even with a number of modifications is not going to warrant what you are trying to get. I wish you the best on selling your car.
10-22-2009, 05:47 PM
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[QUOTE=wpriller;7009409] not going to warrant what you are trying to get. /QUOTE]
I think the OP was asking for opinions. Don't recall him saying what he wanted to get. Maybe I missed it?
I think the OP was asking for opinions. Don't recall him saying what he wanted to get. Maybe I missed it?