How much improvement will Moton Clubsports provide
08-19-2009 | 05:55 PM
#31
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Because I'm "self service" which means I could go to any track and any time up to the last minute. And being in Atlanta, there's a good 6-8 tracks within 5 hours:
Roebling (ewe)
Road Atlanta
VIR (4hrs)
TGP
CMP
Barber
Plus I will be making the odd trip far away to Sebring, Mid-Ohio etc. The point is that I don't have time to wait on mechanics to follow me around and tune the suspension, I want something I can tinker with and understand and not completely screw up trying to set up. I also do time trials as well so I do adjust the suspension quite often and won't accept a vanilla setup on some really expensive coilovers. I just don't want something more than I can understand and handle on my own.
That's the best sense I can make of it, it seems all the guys I know that have 3-ways have track support and or mechanics running around behind them all the time (except Al Norton, but he's different), that won't be me.
Roebling (ewe)
Road Atlanta
VIR (4hrs)
TGP
CMP
Barber
Plus I will be making the odd trip far away to Sebring, Mid-Ohio etc. The point is that I don't have time to wait on mechanics to follow me around and tune the suspension, I want something I can tinker with and understand and not completely screw up trying to set up. I also do time trials as well so I do adjust the suspension quite often and won't accept a vanilla setup on some really expensive coilovers. I just don't want something more than I can understand and handle on my own.
That's the best sense I can make of it, it seems all the guys I know that have 3-ways have track support and or mechanics running around behind them all the time (except Al Norton, but he's different), that won't be me.
As for the Moton Club Sports they transformed my GT3. The stock struts on the GT3 are better than the stock 996 stuff but they aren't really a great race shock. My GT3 would go through the blag flag station at Road Atlanta at about 150 MPH in a 4 wheel drift. Part of this has to do with the stock suspension being on the soft side of both compression and rebound for a race shock. The Motons are stiffer and the adjustments helped to dial out the drift. The car now takes that section of the track flat and composed even though my spring rates are relatively low (600ft and 800r). The car could use more spring and the Motons can easily handle it. Plus one of the great things we have here is that Moton NA is located in Cumming. Customer service from them is top notch. Shoot me a PM if you have any more questions on them or call me. I believe you have my numbers.
08-19-2009 | 06:48 PM
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I am seriously considering swapping the GT3 coil overs to Moton Clubsports. How much of a difference (including the stiffer springs) will this give me. I have already upgraded the suspension with the RSS adjustable toe steer, monoball lower control arm bushings, thrust arm bushings, and adjustable rear links (dog bones). I am running Hoosier R6s and will be moving to slicks next.
As a point of reference, I am running sub 1:37 laps at Road Atlanta.
What kinds of improvements can I expect from the $$ upgrade to the Clubsports if I go that route?
As a point of reference, I am running sub 1:37 laps at Road Atlanta.
What kinds of improvements can I expect from the $$ upgrade to the Clubsports if I go that route?
Peter
08-19-2009 | 10:03 PM
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I am seriously considering swapping the GT3 coil overs to Moton Clubsports. How much of a difference (including the stiffer springs) will this give me. I have already upgraded the suspension with the RSS adjustable toe steer, monoball lower control arm bushings, thrust arm bushings, and adjustable rear links (dog bones). I am running Hoosier R6s and will be moving to slicks next.
As a point of reference, I am running sub 1:37 laps at Road Atlanta.
What kinds of improvements can I expect from the $$ upgrade to the Clubsports if I go that route?
As a point of reference, I am running sub 1:37 laps at Road Atlanta.
What kinds of improvements can I expect from the $$ upgrade to the Clubsports if I go that route?
This means close to nothing but for a comparison my best last Sept. with stock suspension at Laguna Seca with MPSC was 1:39.6. This April with Motons and MPSC down to 1:38.6. July with motons and Kumhos 1:36.8. The April lap included a screwup in the corkscrew as well. For another reference my friend's best time in stock suspension with Hoosiers was 1:37.8. And trust me, this driver is quicker than me.
I have the clubsports and might be selling them separately from my car. PM me if interested.
08-19-2009 | 11:09 PM
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Thanks for all of the feedback from everyone. I bit the bullet today and ordered the Motons. I will be running them in two weeks at the Rd ATL Chin event.
I am having Motor Werks Racing install, who resides next to Moton's NA headquarters. As part of the service, they will provide track side assistance at my first event to get them dialed in.
I'll report back with my impressions.
I am having Motor Werks Racing install, who resides next to Moton's NA headquarters. As part of the service, they will provide track side assistance at my first event to get them dialed in.
I'll report back with my impressions.
08-20-2009 | 05:13 PM
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Saw some new Motons sitting on a shelf waiting to go on a car this morning when I was at MotorWerks. They were looking for a car to go in. ;-)
I will be at the Chin event on Sunday coaching a BMW friend. I told Matthew at MotorWerks that if you needed any help with the shocks to let me know. I will do what I can to help you dial them in.
I will be at the Chin event on Sunday coaching a BMW friend. I told Matthew at MotorWerks that if you needed any help with the shocks to let me know. I will do what I can to help you dial them in.
08-22-2009 | 01:00 AM
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If my math is right,using 18s should give you a 4% high read on the GT3 speedo by itself. Decreasing the rolling diameter from around 26.4 to 25.5 inches decreases the circumference by the same proportion, but no one told the speedo.
08-22-2009 | 01:40 AM
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Do we know the actual tire sizes he was running? I didn't see that listed...only wheel diameter.
08-23-2009 | 11:32 AM
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As was discussed in a separate Moton thread, I agree to a piont but then you reach a spring rates (say over 1200#) where the Motons then need to be bumped up from the stock valving.
Most DE cars will never see these types of spring rates but the Cups are certainly up there and I've found the stock Moton valving to not be beefy enough on my Cup. I don't bring this up as a knock on Moton but merely something to consider when someone says they don't like their Motons or if you're in a Cup and not getting the most out of it.
Most DE cars will never see these types of spring rates but the Cups are certainly up there and I've found the stock Moton valving to not be beefy enough on my Cup. I don't bring this up as a knock on Moton but merely something to consider when someone says they don't like their Motons or if you're in a Cup and not getting the most out of it.
