333pg333

So this is still not a 'slip your hand under there and adj' sort of setup? You still have to jack the car up?
What spring rates are you running D-Man?

Land Jet

Clockwise for soft, counter clockwise for stiffer.

Can anyone tell me which canister, large or small, goes in front and which in the rear?

333pg333

You should have the taller one on the fronts, shorter rears but surely there are instructions with the kit?

93 FireHawk 968

I've found the dials on the canisters to be very sensitive and learned not to tune too drastically from test to test. Just a few turns is a lot.

Keep a notebook for your best setup at each track. I can never remember.

333pg333

What sort of springs are you running and weight of car Firehawk?

dan212

How do these Moton's compare to similar types such has KW or JRZ's?? Especially in durability?

PedroNole

I recently purchased the Club Sports to replace the worn out Sachs on my Cup. Atlhough they are well put together, have good adjustability, easy to use, etc., I found the overall valving to be a bit on the weak side. In fact, I'm having them taken off and sent back to Moton for revalving. For the Cup at 9.5+/10, they just aren't strong enough out of the box.

Larry Herman

You probably should have purchased the Motorsport ones. More adjustments and greater range. I had mine set at ~11 (out of 15) and with the 1500 lbs springs it was plenty stiff enough.

PedroNole

Well, outside of the cost being a lot more, I was told that the only difference was that there were more adjustments. and that the fronts had quick disconnects too (not just the rears like mine). I was told that the range wasn't any greater just that the adjustments were more incremental.... Hmmmmmm.

Larry Herman

Unless you were told that by Lex from Moton, I would not place much stock in it. Like I said, with 1500 lb springs and a 100 lb heavier car (than a 996 cup), I still had 4 clicks left on the compression and 5 on the rebound.

Bryan Watts

We actually found the Motorsport Motons to be too stiff for the setup we wanted to run on our BMW and we found there to be too much space between the clicks. We run a very lightly sprung car though...nearly 1/2 the rates some of you Porsche guys are running on your front suspensions and a few hundred pounds less than a lot of BMW guys. Ended up developing a set of Ohlins with the specific range of adjustment that we wanted.

Veloce Raptor

FWIW, my M3 has 700f/800r springs, on a ~3,100 lb car with driver and fuel, and the Club Sports are superb.





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Larry Herman

Exactly! This pretty much confirms what I have understood, that the Motorsport shocks have a higher range, and are meant for stiffer springs than the Clubsport models. However, I do have a friend who is running 1500 pounders on his 993 and the Clubsport shocks work just fine in the middle of their range.

Bryan, if you found too much space between the clicks on the Motorsport shocks and needed something finer, your **** must be really sensitive!

BTW I have heard plenty of good things about Ohlins, and would consider them for the next racecar, whenever that happens.

Bryan Watts

Ha. For a given range of spring rates we know we plan to run, it just makes more sense to have the entire range of clicks on the dampers to operate within the same range rather than having 4-10 "clicks" of adjustment that aren't really usable at all. Or, in the case of the Motons, we only essentially had two clicks of the adjustment range that worked well at all, and no way to go softer for rain, etc. With custom valving, we were able to place our normal settings right in the center of the range. Noted, it definitely takes more work and it takes some math to come up with a starting point before you ever hit the track and start turning *****.

Geoffrey

Larry, my understanding is that the club sport version has the same range as the motorsport version, just 1/2 the number of adjustments.

I concur on having the internal valving changed to work within the setup range your car is set to. I just went through this and it made a large difference in the ability to tune the car. Also, not all of the adjustments are linear, especially near the ends of adjustment.