LVDell

Nobody in SPBOX at VIR this weekend. Having a blast right now with fantastic weather and great guys! 2 days down, 1 to go!

Chris M.

No Boxsters and 16 E cars. Easy decision!

Larry Herman

How are the times there Dell? What is H running and what is Kaemph in GT4S running?

Sean F

wait, my bad. the boxsters at the lrp and Glen weren't running spec boxster

Brian P

No. We were in E and F class. The other cars that Rick is building are also meant for the stock classes. As far as I know, there isn't anybody running a spec boxster on the east coast. However, by next year, we should have about 8 boxsters running in the stock classes.

LVDell

Larry, times were pretty good. Temps were in the mid-80's and track had a fair amount of grip (except T1-T3).

From what I remember, H was running high single digits for the top runners.

I don't have the times off hand as I forgot to grab the times sheets so I could post them up.

mglobe

The almost universal opinion seems to be that the 996 requires stiffer springs than PSS9's can handle (600/800 or 800/1000), so folks are gravitating towards more stout shock systems. Some experimenting is going on right now with Moton Clubsports and Cross Competitions as possible spec for shocks. I've put Cross in mine, a friend has the Motons, and we're going to compare the cars. Other than that, we're gravitating towards a spec that is fairly similar to SBOX. As a result, build prices are likely to be slightly higher than SBOX, but not outrageously so. It will be interesting too to see how the cars stand up to H-Stock. I'm a rookie racer, so I won't be able to answer that personally, but other more experienced folks will.

TR6

If you guys end up going with Motons, prices will be much higher than SPBOX, donor costs aside. From what I've been gleaning from the various threads on SPBOX and 996 spec builds plus knowing some of the folks that are going down both roads, it sounds like the 996 spec will end up about $15K total higher for a turn key car than SPBOX. Does that sound about right? Say $40-45K for 996 vs. $25-$30K for SPBOX?

Veloce Raptor

I hope that Motons are NOT part of the spec.

JW in Texas

I agree. I think it's expensive over-kill. Cross may be the sweet spot. Have you talked to them about their recommended rate range? I don't think the PSS9(10) are going to be up to those spring rates either. We have them about maxed @ 450/500 in the Boxs.

}{arlequin

the point of 'spec' is to keep costs down not to spec the cars out w/ f1 level of gear....

Paul 996

The theme for spec996 is to force the drover to do more with less. Motons imho are idiotic for a spec class. Why not Penske's. sheesh.

Pick a good shock that can be properly valved to match the springs to be chosen... make sure there is a cost effective rebuild path available. Bilstein non adjustables seem to fit the bill, also happen to be what is on the GT3 as delivered which works in the 996 C2 chassis and are rebuildable/revalveable rather cheaply.

JW in Texas

Good point Paul. I ran the stock, non-adjustable Bilsteins on my cup the 3 years I had it & they worked just fine. Rebuilds are cheap/easy too.

mglobe

First of all, we're not talking about Moton Motorsports, were talking Moton Clubsports, which will push the price higher, but not much higher (~$2400 more than the Cross). You're price estimate of $40k-$45k is about right on the 996 Spec. Much easier to attain with a less expensive shock, true. I can't speak on the the cost pf SPBOX

Me too

Jay, I did talk with Cross about their recommended range. They offer three standard spring setups, the heaviest of which is the 600/800 lb that I chose to try. They say that their stock valving can handle up to 1000lbs. I like the idea of single adjustability, as it gives us something to work with in setup. Right now the Cross setup is the dark horse, I think because folks in the racing community don't have the same level of familiarity with the product. I've talked though with some racers who have used the Cross product with success, and if their experience can be repeated, the price/performance ratio is a winner imho.

Good to get everyone's feedback. Nothing is etched in stone right now.

M758

I went from a 250hp Steet stock 944 Turbo to a 150 hp 944 NA. Best thing I ever did at first it was painful to go that slow down the straights, but I just learned to never use the brakes as the secret to speed. Now about 8 years later I am still on that 150 hp NA. It never gets dull since I have great racing competition.