View Poll Results: Would you build a 996 Spec if this became a PCA Class?
Absolutely! I'm in!
39
25.16%
Interested, but not right now
69
44.52%
No
47
30.32%
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Would you build a 996 Spec?
07-13-2008, 07:50 PM
#31
I understand 3.6s can run in another class, but it would be nice to use restrictor plate, weight, or whatever to allow all 996s to be run. The 3.4 and 3.6 are near enough the same car that the later models should be easy enough to handicap for the race group.
07-13-2008, 08:24 PM
#32
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I think a 996 spec price point is too high.
944 spec is bottom 6-12k to build and race. ... The two down sides are generally low speed and age of the cars
Boxster spec is next up with about double the costs ... These cars are reasonably quick and modern.
Double the cost of a Boxster and you get to close to a 996 Cup. Might as well go all the way at that price. Not sure what advantage these over the boxster. What 2-3 seconds on track for 20k more? At least with a GT3 Cup you get a cup. Factory everything.
944 spec is bottom 6-12k to build and race. ... The two down sides are generally low speed and age of the cars
Boxster spec is next up with about double the costs ... These cars are reasonably quick and modern.
Double the cost of a Boxster and you get to close to a 996 Cup. Might as well go all the way at that price. Not sure what advantage these over the boxster. What 2-3 seconds on track for 20k more? At least with a GT3 Cup you get a cup. Factory everything.
07-13-2008, 09:30 PM
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You should listen to what John says in post # 2. He's one of the 2-spec 996's running here this year as test mules for a PMNA sanctioned spec class. Bill Bodine, President of POC and founder of the Spec Boxster class, has been developing the specs with PMNA.
What John said about weight is really important. The Spec Boxsters run in the same run group with the 2 Spec 996's and we're all very close in times. Currently they're running Hossiers but if they switched to the R888's we're running we would beat them at their current weight. We're 2700 min w/driver, they're about 3200 w/driver and that's their achilles heel. John can fill you in more on the specs their testing and give some idea of the costs he's spent to date....
PS: GT3 Cups use 24/64 tires up front and 27/68 in the rears definitely not 305's....
What John said about weight is really important. The Spec Boxsters run in the same run group with the 2 Spec 996's and we're all very close in times. Currently they're running Hossiers but if they switched to the R888's we're running we would beat them at their current weight. We're 2700 min w/driver, they're about 3200 w/driver and that's their achilles heel. John can fill you in more on the specs their testing and give some idea of the costs he's spent to date....
PS: GT3 Cups use 24/64 tires up front and 27/68 in the rears definitely not 305's....
07-13-2008, 09:42 PM
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You should listen to what John says in post # 2. He's one of the 2-spec 996's running here this year as test mules for a PMNA sanctioned spec class. Bill Bodine, President of POC and founder of the Spec Boxster class, has been developing the specs with PMNA.
What John said about weight is really important. ..................... We're 2700 min w/driver, they're about 3200 w/driver and that's their achilles heel. John can fill you in more on the specs their testing and give some idea of the costs he's spent to date....
PS: GT3 Cups use 24/64 tires up front and 27/68 in the rears definitely not 305's....
What John said about weight is really important. ..................... We're 2700 min w/driver, they're about 3200 w/driver and that's their achilles heel. John can fill you in more on the specs their testing and give some idea of the costs he's spent to date....
PS: GT3 Cups use 24/64 tires up front and 27/68 in the rears definitely not 305's....
I'm not familiar with cup tires, so what size does that translate into?
07-13-2008, 09:50 PM
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At Barber, Mark McGuire in an H class 996 (3000 lbs target w/driver) ran 3 seconds per lap faster than a Spec Boxster. I believe he runs a 295 rear tire. But that is a quick time. (PCA Cub Race website)
Take that weight down to 2850# and you'd have a pretty fast car.
Take that weight down to 2850# and you'd have a pretty fast car.
07-13-2008, 10:10 PM
#38
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You should listen to what John says in post # 2. He's one of the 2-spec 996's running here this year as test mules for a PMNA sanctioned spec class. Bill Bodine, President of POC and founder of the Spec Boxster class, has been developing the specs with PMNA.
What John said about weight is really important. The Spec Boxsters run in the same run group with the 2 Spec 996's and we're all very close in times. Currently they're running Hossiers but if they switched to the R888's we're running we would beat them at their current weight. We're 2700 min w/driver, they're about 3200 w/driver and that's their achilles heel. John can fill you in more on the specs their testing and give some idea of the costs he's spent to date....
PS: GT3 Cups use 24/64 tires up front and 27/68 in the rears definitely not 305's....
What John said about weight is really important. The Spec Boxsters run in the same run group with the 2 Spec 996's and we're all very close in times. Currently they're running Hossiers but if they switched to the R888's we're running we would beat them at their current weight. We're 2700 min w/driver, they're about 3200 w/driver and that's their achilles heel. John can fill you in more on the specs their testing and give some idea of the costs he's spent to date....
PS: GT3 Cups use 24/64 tires up front and 27/68 in the rears definitely not 305's....
Same question Bill has: Can you translate those tires sizes into metric?
07-13-2008, 10:11 PM
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My car is ~2,950 with 1/2 tank of fuel but NO driver. Motor is stock except for cone filter + chip (10hp estimated) and header/no cats (5hp estimated). So, since 1997 M3 motors were rated 240 crank HP, I estimate that I am making ~255 crank hp. Stock was estimated at 240 lb/ft of torque. I did lose some torque with the header, and it is noticeable. Not sure what the # is, though.
EDIT: oh yeah, and my car has zero aero...
07-13-2008, 10:19 PM
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Actually, I run 235's on all 4 (RA1's). The Hankook Z214's I currently have are marked 245 but are the exact same width as the 235 RA1's that I used to use.
My car is ~2,950 with 1/2 tank of fuel but NO driver. Motor is stock except for cone filter + chip (10hp estimated) and header/no cats (5hp estimated). So, since 1997 M3 motors were rated 240 crank HP, I estimate that I am making ~255 crank hp. Stock was estimated at 240 lb/ft of torque. I did lose some torque with the header, and it is noticeable. Not sure what the # is, though.
EDIT: oh yeah, and my car has zero aero...
My car is ~2,950 with 1/2 tank of fuel but NO driver. Motor is stock except for cone filter + chip (10hp estimated) and header/no cats (5hp estimated). So, since 1997 M3 motors were rated 240 crank HP, I estimate that I am making ~255 crank hp. Stock was estimated at 240 lb/ft of torque. I did lose some torque with the header, and it is noticeable. Not sure what the # is, though.
EDIT: oh yeah, and my car has zero aero...
No wonder you're so slow. You need bigger tires.
07-13-2008, 10:35 PM
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Anyone have an idea of what is an achievable weight that can be attained simply by taking things out?
07-13-2008, 10:43 PM
#44
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my perspective - with all the potential and known M96 engine issues, I am not seeing this as being a worthwhile investment for anyone. Even when running updated gear, blowing a motor is not unheard of.
It would not be a cheap class to run. My vote is sadly no. (It would be fun, for a little while.)
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It would not be a cheap class to run. My vote is sadly no. (It would be fun, for a little while.)
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