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Old 02-05-2008, 12:23 PM
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Old 02-05-2008, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
I really thought that BS rule would be dumped this year..
I guess no one brought it up, Gary. There's always this fall . . .
Old 02-05-2008, 12:32 PM
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I'll be on your soap box next year...

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Old 02-05-2008, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore
I guess no one brought it up, Gary. There's always next fall . . .
I *think* Colin did, not 100% sure. We should get a consortium together and be sure it gets done next year. All it does now is cost us all money in prematurely trashed tires. I flip mine on the rims but that isn't free either...
Old 02-05-2008, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
I *think* Colin did, not 100% sure. We should get a consortium together and be sure it gets done next year. All it does now is cost us all money in prematurely trashed tires. I flip mine on the rims but that isn't free either...
I agree 1000%. It's silly how much quicker tires wear at a stock setting. As risk-averse as PCA is, I'm surprised that the safety issues of poorly wearing tires is not of concern. I wonder why it didn't make it as a proposed change? This seems like a no-brainer to me.
Old 02-05-2008, 12:59 PM
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Hey Gary, that is one cool looking car in your avitar.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa! Slow down! Why don't we just allow big brakes, chips and 8:32 r&p's in stock class, too?! They've already caved on non-Factory LSD's and LWF's ... soon there won't be a difference between Stock and Prepared cars!


I think the rules committee actually reviewed this issue and revised Prepared Rule 2 to specificy that (non-pinned) camber plates were, in fact, a Prepared mod:
"Slotting or camber plates used to achieve suspension settings is allowed."
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My camber plates are still 'centered' and pinned from when I ran in stock class. I don't have any problem getting 3 degrees of negative camber. Don't know if this is typical for 964's.
Old 02-05-2008, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Geoffrey
Hey Gary, that is one cool looking car in your avitar.

Thought you would like that...
Old 02-05-2008, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by joey bagadonuts
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Slow down! Why don't we just allow big brakes, chips and 8:32 r&p's in stock class, too?! They've already caved on non-Factory LSD's and LWF's ... soon there won't be a difference between Stock and Prepared cars!


I think the rules committee actually reviewed this issue and revised Prepared Rule 2 to specificy that (non-pinned) camber plates were, in fact, a Prepared mod:

Joe,

Remember, the LWF is allowed for your car, too. This is a good thing.

I think PCA allowed the LWF because the stock DMF was prone to problems. The LSD may have been due to not being able to tell if someone was running a Guards or not.

Most DE people who are beyond the blue group are already running camber plates anyway, so when they make the jump to club racing, they're going backwards. The chip and R&P mods you mention have nothing to do with safety and long-term economic costs (i.e. getting the most track time out of your tires is a great benefit versus the very small cost of having to put in camber plates).


Originally Posted by Manny Alban
My camber plates are still 'centered' and pinned from when I ran in stock class. I don't have any problem getting 3 degrees of negative camber. Don't know if this is typical for 964's.
Old 02-05-2008, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore
Remember, the LWF is allowed for your car, too. This is a good thing.
It's all relative, of course. If I was running a stock F car, I would totally see the wisdom behind such a ruling--kudos PCA! Of course, since I'm running a Prepared car, I'm completely convinced that this kind of thinking runs counter to the very spirit and guiding principles behind PCA Club Racing.
Old 02-05-2008, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by joey bagadonuts
I'm completely convinced that this kind of thinking runs counter to the very spirit and guiding principles behind PCA Club Racing.
Just like requiring all club race cars, including the drive-to-the-track cars, to have a full cage. In the end, I suppose it's what the majority of racers want since it is a club, our club.



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