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07-23-2007, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Nordschleife
air is another fluid.....
his valves weren't working properly...... think of it as a cam shaft getting out of adjustment
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his valves weren't working properly...... think of it as a cam shaft getting out of adjustment
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I have no way of proving or disproving so speculation is for naught ...and yes an hydralic failure would result in death and no engine operation , but kimi was able to limp to the pits, at one time under what appears to be full power...
07-23-2007, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kurt M
Nordschleife I am suprised at your post, you are normaly spot on. Air is not a fluid it is a mixture of gasses. As near as I can tell the cars systems do not run pressures high enough to liqufy air at room temps.
I too got killed by the TEVO cut off. New F1 trivia question. Who made the fastest run from last place to leading in a F1 race?
I too got killed by the TEVO cut off. New F1 trivia question. Who made the fastest run from last place to leading in a F1 race?
2. Senna 1988 japan ..
07-23-2007, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying Finn
Kimi's figth (again) just go a whole lot worse. Germany has "treated" his WDC battle same way before. He ain't giving up though. Kimi needs a lot more points in next race which is nearly impossible since there are 3 others so much ahead of him, not only one. One of the can have bad luck (as Hamilton did) but not all 3.
As you said, Alonso is in almost as good position as he has been the two times he had won the championships. Way ahead although now there is big problem for him called Hamilton. He will and has been giving him big time trouble which is good since under pressure Alonso get weak & whiney. Hopefully close situation continues, I'd hate to see the situation where he (Alonso) is 10-20 points ahead and can just play safe and then even gets more lead due to others bad luck or mishaps.
I hope Ferrari doesn't go behind Massa, at least not yet since he doesn't have the mental toughness that's needed when the going gets really tough.
Kimi's only 7 point behind Massa which ain't much, 18 to Hamilton & 16 to Alonso is a lot at this point though.
As you said, Alonso is in almost as good position as he has been the two times he had won the championships. Way ahead although now there is big problem for him called Hamilton. He will and has been giving him big time trouble which is good since under pressure Alonso get weak & whiney. Hopefully close situation continues, I'd hate to see the situation where he (Alonso) is 10-20 points ahead and can just play safe and then even gets more lead due to others bad luck or mishaps.
I hope Ferrari doesn't go behind Massa, at least not yet since he doesn't have the mental toughness that's needed when the going gets really tough.
Kimi's only 7 point behind Massa which ain't much, 18 to Hamilton & 16 to Alonso is a lot at this point though.
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07-23-2007, 11:22 AM
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The new Spiker driver what is his name?
07-23-2007, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mdrums
The new Spiker driver what is his name?
Winklehock ! Now Is he related to the original ex f1, ex BMW factory driver of the same name ?
07-23-2007, 11:31 AM
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Speed hits out at Toro Rosso bosses
By Pablo Elizalde Monday, July 23rd 2007, 10:28 GMT
Scott Speed has hit out at Toro Rosso bosses Gerhard Berger and Franz Tost, saying they are "pushing like hell" to get rid of him and teammate Tonio Liuzzi next season.
Speed's 2007 deal with Toro Rosso was delayed until late in February, with team co-owner Berger saying the American needed to show more commitment in order to stay at the Italian squad.
Berger has made no secret of the fact that the team are interested in Champ Car champion Sebastien Bourdais, who has an option with Toro Rosso for 2008.
Speed angrily hit out at Berger and Tost following the European Grand Prix, saying both him and teammate Liuzzi have very little support from them.
"Gerhard and Franz have their own ideas about what they want to do with their future, and they say things accordingly," Speed told the SpeedTV website.
"That's nothing to do with my performance on the track, that's for sure. It's clear that from my bosses me and Tonio both have very little support.
"It's been that way for the last two years, and it's a lot more now. At some point I said I don't care - if I'm not in F1 next year, if I'm with a different team, it's OK for me. It's actually made me lot more relaxed and a lot more calm, and I think I'm producing better results, actually.
"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read the press and know that Franz and Gerhard are pushing like hell to get rid of me and Tonio."
Both Speed and Liuzzi retired from the European Grand Prix after spinning off before the end of lap three.
The team's usual post-race press release only said "Nothing to say".
Scott Speed has hit out at Toro Rosso bosses Gerhard Berger and Franz Tost, saying they are "pushing like hell" to get rid of him and teammate Tonio Liuzzi next season.
Speed's 2007 deal with Toro Rosso was delayed until late in February, with team co-owner Berger saying the American needed to show more commitment in order to stay at the Italian squad.
Berger has made no secret of the fact that the team are interested in Champ Car champion Sebastien Bourdais, who has an option with Toro Rosso for 2008.
Speed angrily hit out at Berger and Tost following the European Grand Prix, saying both him and teammate Liuzzi have very little support from them.
"Gerhard and Franz have their own ideas about what they want to do with their future, and they say things accordingly," Speed told the SpeedTV website.
"That's nothing to do with my performance on the track, that's for sure. It's clear that from my bosses me and Tonio both have very little support.
"It's been that way for the last two years, and it's a lot more now. At some point I said I don't care - if I'm not in F1 next year, if I'm with a different team, it's OK for me. It's actually made me lot more relaxed and a lot more calm, and I think I'm producing better results, actually.
"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read the press and know that Franz and Gerhard are pushing like hell to get rid of me and Tonio."
Both Speed and Liuzzi retired from the European Grand Prix after spinning off before the end of lap three.
The team's usual post-race press release only said "Nothing to say".
07-23-2007, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by paradisenb
Who is Markus Winkelhock?
Originally Posted by Nordschleife
cfd = computational fluid dynamics = what you use to to model the movement of air over the car, into the engine, where ever.
I come from a background where air is 'curved', and we move our race machines through two different fluids - air and water - in this context air is 'just another fluid', whilst it may be a gas, it behaves like a fluid for our purposes.
hydro-pneumatic systems use both air and fluid(s), they are often looked after by the tech who specialises in hydraulics, in the world of 70-word English (English as the universal lingua franca) exact definitions often get a little fuzzy round the edges.
Its like 'air guns', or 'air tools', technically they often aren't, they are N-guns and N-tools, but it would be pedantic to insist on calling them something else. And we still refer to air pressures when its the pressure of Nitrogen that we are measuring in tyres.
Examples of fluids include liquids and gasses. However, one should not confuse the hydraukic sandwich with the air kiss.
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I come from a background where air is 'curved', and we move our race machines through two different fluids - air and water - in this context air is 'just another fluid', whilst it may be a gas, it behaves like a fluid for our purposes.
hydro-pneumatic systems use both air and fluid(s), they are often looked after by the tech who specialises in hydraulics, in the world of 70-word English (English as the universal lingua franca) exact definitions often get a little fuzzy round the edges.
Its like 'air guns', or 'air tools', technically they often aren't, they are N-guns and N-tools, but it would be pedantic to insist on calling them something else. And we still refer to air pressures when its the pressure of Nitrogen that we are measuring in tyres.
Examples of fluids include liquids and gasses. However, one should not confuse the hydraukic sandwich with the air kiss.
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They are not "N" or air tools. They are pneumatic tools regardless of the gas used to drive them. I would venture that 99.9% of them in the world are air driven as few of the total are on the hot pits.
OK, nits picked, back to the good thread which was allready in progress...
07-23-2007, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kurt M
I would venture that 99.9% of them in the world are air driven as few of the total are on the hot pits.
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07-23-2007, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by A.Wayne
Winklehock ! Now Is he related to the original ex f1, ex BMW factory driver of the same name ?
07-23-2007, 05:26 PM
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One question re: Hamilton being helped out of the kitty litter: I though you were not allowed to receive help by outsiders?
There's been many times where driver has been stuck in the litter with engine running but never I've seen them being "air lifted" out and then continue to race.
Has the rule changed or is it just because it's Hamilton?
There's been many times where driver has been stuck in the litter with engine running but never I've seen them being "air lifted" out and then continue to race.
Has the rule changed or is it just because it's Hamilton?
07-23-2007, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by A.Wayne
Winklehock ! Now Is he related to the original ex f1, ex BMW factory driver of the same name ?
