A SPEED VISION/CHANNEL PETITION
02-22-2002, 07:14 AM
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A SPEED VISION/CHANNEL PETITION
if you are like the many who are sick of the over nascar-ization of speedchanel, then you must see this! there is a web site w/ a petition to show less nascar and more variety on speed vision/channel. so help the cause!!! please visit this sight! save our eyes from more nascar bull ****, and show some real racing!!! please spread the word, sign the petition and hav ayne else you kno who would be interested be aware of this movmnt and sign as well! by the way, there are THOUSANDS who hve already signed this online, so it is nota lost cause either.
the web site is
<a href="http://www.PetitionOnline.com/cel21/" target="_blank">http://www.PetitionOnline.com/cel21/</a>
thanks lot guys!
Harry
the web site is
<a href="http://www.PetitionOnline.com/cel21/" target="_blank">http://www.PetitionOnline.com/cel21/</a>
thanks lot guys!
Harry
02-22-2002, 08:31 AM
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This is total BS. Read the comments and people say they want other types of racing etc... Well why don't you wait until other series start racing in another month to see how much coverage they are going to get. As I pointed out in a different Speed Channel thread, they are going to be the primary outlet for CART, ALMS, and F1 in this country still.
I wish everyone would shut up and wait and see what happens. There are very few people who really know the direction that Speed Channel is going to go. Its all NASCAR now because the racing world is all NASCAR now. I remember seeing the recent rally on...
Now quit your whining and worry about something else. <img src="graemlins/sleep.gif" border="0" alt="[sleep]" /> <img src="graemlins/sleep.gif" border="0" alt="[sleep]" /> <img src="graemlins/sleep.gif" border="0" alt="[sleep]" />
E. J.
I wish everyone would shut up and wait and see what happens. There are very few people who really know the direction that Speed Channel is going to go. Its all NASCAR now because the racing world is all NASCAR now. I remember seeing the recent rally on...
Now quit your whining and worry about something else. <img src="graemlins/sleep.gif" border="0" alt="[sleep]" /> <img src="graemlins/sleep.gif" border="0" alt="[sleep]" /> <img src="graemlins/sleep.gif" border="0" alt="[sleep]" />
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02-22-2002, 01:29 PM
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EJ, I appreciate the very valid points that you made on the other thread, and we must all accept that professional racing has become an entertainment based form of advertising. We are lucky to have ANY motorsports coverage, I suppose.
{I'm sure many of us, as kids, were rapt with expectation whenever Wide World of Sports showed a piece of a GP or LeMans in the early-mid 60s. I HATED Boxing because, as a live event, it ALWAYS pre-empted the taped racing coverage. Unless the there was a KO in the first 3 rounds.}
However, while I am willing to hold my judgement of the direction that SPEED may be taking, I am a firm believer in grassroots pressure to "keep 'em honest". Should they be shielded from the audience that wants to watch more than a rolling box of TIDE? If we voice our opinion, will there be a backlash to punish the sports car audience? Will it make anyone uncomfortable?
Harry Truman pointed out that one of the few real powers of the Presidency was "jawboneing"; dialog in a direct & forthright manner. A petition is a simple, honest & direct way to to express ones opinion, and very closely tied to the "redress of grievences" that were a cornerstone of the American Revolution.
Being a private & commercial enterprise, SPEED doesn't have to do anything (including ignore petitions) but satisfy its owners and conform to the license(s) they may have from gov. to utilize the public's airwaves.
People don't petition unless they are upset. When people are upset, there is opportunity to make money. Maybe SPEED can figure out how to capitalize on the concerns of some of its viewers.
{I'm sure many of us, as kids, were rapt with expectation whenever Wide World of Sports showed a piece of a GP or LeMans in the early-mid 60s. I HATED Boxing because, as a live event, it ALWAYS pre-empted the taped racing coverage. Unless the there was a KO in the first 3 rounds.}
However, while I am willing to hold my judgement of the direction that SPEED may be taking, I am a firm believer in grassroots pressure to "keep 'em honest". Should they be shielded from the audience that wants to watch more than a rolling box of TIDE? If we voice our opinion, will there be a backlash to punish the sports car audience? Will it make anyone uncomfortable?
Harry Truman pointed out that one of the few real powers of the Presidency was "jawboneing"; dialog in a direct & forthright manner. A petition is a simple, honest & direct way to to express ones opinion, and very closely tied to the "redress of grievences" that were a cornerstone of the American Revolution.
Being a private & commercial enterprise, SPEED doesn't have to do anything (including ignore petitions) but satisfy its owners and conform to the license(s) they may have from gov. to utilize the public's airwaves.
People don't petition unless they are upset. When people are upset, there is opportunity to make money. Maybe SPEED can figure out how to capitalize on the concerns of some of its viewers.
02-22-2002, 03:12 PM
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Speedchannel DID air the Grand Am Cup race this past Monday, of course it was during the day, so I recorded it and watched it later. ( during the Nascar marathon. )
Let's give it a chance, once the season is in full swing we can form an educated opinion of the new programming.
EJ, you're too worked up over this . You need a weekend at Willow Springs.
Let's give it a chance, once the season is in full swing we can form an educated opinion of the new programming.
EJ, you're too worked up over this . You need a weekend at Willow Springs.
02-22-2002, 10:19 PM
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Kevin,
I agree with all your points above, but I just want to say, why petition before you even know what's going to happen? There has been exactly TWO races other than NASCAR run so far this year. One was the World Rally Race from somewhere I can't remember, but I know I saw parts of it on Speed Channel. No different than any other year for rally coverage on Speedvision. The other was the 24 hrs or Daytona which I watched about 10 hours of live on Speed Channel. So of three races so far run this year, NASCAR or Speed Channel showed two of them. Not much for us non roundy guys to complain about if you ask me. All I am saying is give it a chance. If this comes up agian in 6 months in the middle of the meat of the racing season and I can't watch Grand Am, ALMS, CART and F1 on Speed Channel because Bubba and his Corn Dogs are on all the time, I will petition too.
Howard, I am worked up a little bit about this. How can seemingly educated people (educated enough to like road racing at least
) petition against something before they know anything about it. I guarantee people high up at the network don't know what the programming is going to be like in the middle of the summer, and here we are up in arms because a single man who started Speedvision with a dream and a lot of money in the hole proved the legitamacy of the American way by making a few dollars by selling his creation for a profit. He is still in control and he is an enthusiast too, so I still have faith.
I don't need a weekend at Willow - it's too far. I need to be with my friends at VIR this weekend when they shake down their new 911 race car - 350 HP, 2000 lbs, GT-3 PCA car. I am <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> as hell I cant help out...
E. J.
I agree with all your points above, but I just want to say, why petition before you even know what's going to happen? There has been exactly TWO races other than NASCAR run so far this year. One was the World Rally Race from somewhere I can't remember, but I know I saw parts of it on Speed Channel. No different than any other year for rally coverage on Speedvision. The other was the 24 hrs or Daytona which I watched about 10 hours of live on Speed Channel. So of three races so far run this year, NASCAR or Speed Channel showed two of them. Not much for us non roundy guys to complain about if you ask me. All I am saying is give it a chance. If this comes up agian in 6 months in the middle of the meat of the racing season and I can't watch Grand Am, ALMS, CART and F1 on Speed Channel because Bubba and his Corn Dogs are on all the time, I will petition too.
Howard, I am worked up a little bit about this. How can seemingly educated people (educated enough to like road racing at least
) petition against something before they know anything about it. I guarantee people high up at the network don't know what the programming is going to be like in the middle of the summer, and here we are up in arms because a single man who started Speedvision with a dream and a lot of money in the hole proved the legitamacy of the American way by making a few dollars by selling his creation for a profit. He is still in control and he is an enthusiast too, so I still have faith. I don't need a weekend at Willow - it's too far. I need to be with my friends at VIR this weekend when they shake down their new 911 race car - 350 HP, 2000 lbs, GT-3 PCA car. I am <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> as hell I cant help out...
E. J.
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02-24-2002, 01:27 AM
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I was signature 4998... that's a lot of lost viewers for one network. I do hope that Fox is paying attention. As for being patient, nuts to that. I need my GT Racing fix now, not months from now...
02-24-2002, 10:05 PM
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E.J. While I respect your reply, I take a little offence to your comment about, [quote]How can seemingly educated people ...petition against something before they know anything about it. <hr></blockquote>
Frankly you've got to ask yourself if those gentlemen sitting in the big corner offices at SPEEDCHANNEL are that smart (which I'll give them the benefit of the doubt they are, otherwise it's not likely they would be there) HAD to have realized they would be loosing a significant number of views by (in all essence) alienating their core viewer-ship with programming that is SO drastically opposed to “their norm”.
To broaden you market by supplementing the current lineup (which could use a little more content anyway), with additional programming is one thing. However, to completely and I DO meant COMPLETELY change ALL off your programming, (save a couple of odd hours a day) is to send a VERY CLEAR message to the viewers. You DO NOT do such a thing and not expect exactly what happened. THEY KNEW.
They have been very specific in their press releases as well. Not to mention the name change. A VERY significant aspect of running a business is branding, or “mind-share”. The only reason you change a name is to cut ties with the past or attempt to distance yourself from a bad association or stigma to which we know Speedvision did not have. (i.e. when was the last time you met someone with the last name Hitler) Could you ever imagine Coca Cola changing their name?
In the end, typically there are one of two reasons for acquiring a company.
1) To take an otherwise successful business with limited resources, to the next level with additional funding.
2) Save money on your own venture by capitalizing on an existing ailing company through the utilization of their already developed infrastructure, i.e. it was cheaper to buy than build.
In short, you’re either buying the customer base or the product. And I’d say it’s pretty clear they weren’t after the customer base. FOX can afford to loose a million established viewers if it means gaining another ten million.
My personal reason for signing the petition was two fold. To make a formal protest, and in hopes that someone else will take notice of an established market base and develop an all new channel based on the previous Speedvision model. I’ve said it before, a company like Discovery Networks would be a good candidate, (i.e. Discovery Wheels) and perhaps this can help make that happen.
Lastly, you might ask yourself, “Well then, why did they keep F1, Le Mans etc.?” That’s fairly simple, as long as FOX owns the rights, if someone else wants to start a new channel, then the new company is going to have to PAY for the rights and FOX wins again! In the end, it’s ALL about money!
Personally, I hope I’m completely wrong, and you’re right, but it’s not very likely.
Frankly you've got to ask yourself if those gentlemen sitting in the big corner offices at SPEEDCHANNEL are that smart (which I'll give them the benefit of the doubt they are, otherwise it's not likely they would be there) HAD to have realized they would be loosing a significant number of views by (in all essence) alienating their core viewer-ship with programming that is SO drastically opposed to “their norm”.
To broaden you market by supplementing the current lineup (which could use a little more content anyway), with additional programming is one thing. However, to completely and I DO meant COMPLETELY change ALL off your programming, (save a couple of odd hours a day) is to send a VERY CLEAR message to the viewers. You DO NOT do such a thing and not expect exactly what happened. THEY KNEW.
They have been very specific in their press releases as well. Not to mention the name change. A VERY significant aspect of running a business is branding, or “mind-share”. The only reason you change a name is to cut ties with the past or attempt to distance yourself from a bad association or stigma to which we know Speedvision did not have. (i.e. when was the last time you met someone with the last name Hitler) Could you ever imagine Coca Cola changing their name?
In the end, typically there are one of two reasons for acquiring a company.
1) To take an otherwise successful business with limited resources, to the next level with additional funding.
2) Save money on your own venture by capitalizing on an existing ailing company through the utilization of their already developed infrastructure, i.e. it was cheaper to buy than build.
In short, you’re either buying the customer base or the product. And I’d say it’s pretty clear they weren’t after the customer base. FOX can afford to loose a million established viewers if it means gaining another ten million.
My personal reason for signing the petition was two fold. To make a formal protest, and in hopes that someone else will take notice of an established market base and develop an all new channel based on the previous Speedvision model. I’ve said it before, a company like Discovery Networks would be a good candidate, (i.e. Discovery Wheels) and perhaps this can help make that happen.
Lastly, you might ask yourself, “Well then, why did they keep F1, Le Mans etc.?” That’s fairly simple, as long as FOX owns the rights, if someone else wants to start a new channel, then the new company is going to have to PAY for the rights and FOX wins again! In the end, it’s ALL about money!
Personally, I hope I’m completely wrong, and you’re right, but it’s not very likely.
02-26-2002, 08:36 AM
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Doc,
I want to hear your argument and maybe in 4 months you will be proven correct, but I need hard examples of the NASCARization of Speed Channel before I change my mind. I was watching this weekend and watched rally racing and on Sat night after the Rock Busch race and the night before the second cup race, they showed V8 touring cars from Australia.
I just don't see the problem and no one has proven me wrong yet. The monday night NASCAR show is still on with the three drivers recapping the weekend but that was on two years ago too. I saw an ad last night for NASCAR wednesdays which sounds new, but what ded we really ever watch on Wednesday nights on Speedvision.
Quite simply there are no other race series being televised by Speed Channel yet because there are no other race series running races yet.
As I have said a few times, why don't you wait and see what happens before jumping to conclusions.
When I first heard about the buy out, I too was upset. My NASCAR insight comes from 3 years working at LMS at Charlotte, where I forged many relationships with racing people, including Fox Sports guys - they televised our weekly summer Legends races. I also know the corner office guys and will give them a chance to make their changes before drawing judgement.
In reality, I think the people who are really going to suffer will be the plane and boat guys, not us road racing fans.
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I want to hear your argument and maybe in 4 months you will be proven correct, but I need hard examples of the NASCARization of Speed Channel before I change my mind. I was watching this weekend and watched rally racing and on Sat night after the Rock Busch race and the night before the second cup race, they showed V8 touring cars from Australia.
I just don't see the problem and no one has proven me wrong yet. The monday night NASCAR show is still on with the three drivers recapping the weekend but that was on two years ago too. I saw an ad last night for NASCAR wednesdays which sounds new, but what ded we really ever watch on Wednesday nights on Speedvision.
Quite simply there are no other race series being televised by Speed Channel yet because there are no other race series running races yet.
As I have said a few times, why don't you wait and see what happens before jumping to conclusions.
When I first heard about the buy out, I too was upset. My NASCAR insight comes from 3 years working at LMS at Charlotte, where I forged many relationships with racing people, including Fox Sports guys - they televised our weekly summer Legends races. I also know the corner office guys and will give them a chance to make their changes before drawing judgement.
In reality, I think the people who are really going to suffer will be the plane and boat guys, not us road racing fans.
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E.J. Frankly I truly hope I’m wrong about this, however after further consideration, I came to the following conclusion shortly after my last post. –
First of all, yes you are correct, there will be more “worthy” programming once the season starts. (Thank GOD this Sunday is the AUS GP!) However I still stand by my previous comment that the execs at FOX know what they are doing.
If they didn’t want to cause a panic (which they have… otherwise there wouldn’t be a petition.) there would be tons of advertising confirming that, “they haven’t gone totally NASCAR”. (Nor would there have been the initial press releases inferring they eventually WILL go totally NACAR)
There are plenty of reruns and other programming and events they could have shown beside the 20+ hours a day of NASCAR and American automotive related TV.
In short, here is what will happen, they will continue to show F1 and likely SBK, WRC, (the former) Speedvisoin World Challenge series and perhaps even DTM, BTC, ATC and a few others for the rest of this season. However, eventually they will be turned over to FOX Sports Net.
After all, FOX was the second biggest contender for the F1 US broadcasting rights after Speedvision and it doesn’t take a genius to realize the F1 broadcast rights were the “Crown Jewel” of Speedvision. Without F1, Speedvision would have been history already.
For the record, if you weren’t already aware of it, the two BIGGEST sports in the WORLD are World Cup Soccer (WCS) and F1. Those two series bring more sponsorship money than anything else. Not even the NFL, NBA, MLB, or NASCAR come close.
In fact I firmly believe Speedvision executives also knew they were on the outs as an independent channel and the only way to walk away with any kind of money in their pockets was to do EVERYTHING in their power to prevent FOX from securing the US broadcast rights to F1, get it themselves. Then shop the channel (likely focusing on FOX) and get them to buy the rights, (along with the entire channel) and make some money off a loosing venture.
The other, “non-sporting event”, i.e. documentary based / entertainment programming such as Motorsports Mundial, Victory by design and a few others may likely be sold off to other channels or dropped from syndication all together.
You are likely right the real losers will be those who were the airplane and boating buffs.
As much as I hate to admit it, F1 will NEVER be as big in the US as NASCAR. Just as World Cup Soccer will never be as big as the NFL in the States. Even with an American team and all the effort on publicity and coverage to gain acceptance here in the States, WCS has been relegated to a second-class sport, as will F1.
As far as F1 is concerned, when you consider there isn’t an American team (Jaguar doesn’t count) nor even an American driver, you have to contend it’s a loosing proposition.
Face it, we live in a country were the likes of WWF, NASCAR and Jerry Springer prevails. The masses “just aren’t that smart”. A sad but true fact indeed!
First of all, yes you are correct, there will be more “worthy” programming once the season starts. (Thank GOD this Sunday is the AUS GP!) However I still stand by my previous comment that the execs at FOX know what they are doing.
If they didn’t want to cause a panic (which they have… otherwise there wouldn’t be a petition.) there would be tons of advertising confirming that, “they haven’t gone totally NASCAR”. (Nor would there have been the initial press releases inferring they eventually WILL go totally NACAR)
There are plenty of reruns and other programming and events they could have shown beside the 20+ hours a day of NASCAR and American automotive related TV.
In short, here is what will happen, they will continue to show F1 and likely SBK, WRC, (the former) Speedvisoin World Challenge series and perhaps even DTM, BTC, ATC and a few others for the rest of this season. However, eventually they will be turned over to FOX Sports Net.
After all, FOX was the second biggest contender for the F1 US broadcasting rights after Speedvision and it doesn’t take a genius to realize the F1 broadcast rights were the “Crown Jewel” of Speedvision. Without F1, Speedvision would have been history already.
For the record, if you weren’t already aware of it, the two BIGGEST sports in the WORLD are World Cup Soccer (WCS) and F1. Those two series bring more sponsorship money than anything else. Not even the NFL, NBA, MLB, or NASCAR come close.
In fact I firmly believe Speedvision executives also knew they were on the outs as an independent channel and the only way to walk away with any kind of money in their pockets was to do EVERYTHING in their power to prevent FOX from securing the US broadcast rights to F1, get it themselves. Then shop the channel (likely focusing on FOX) and get them to buy the rights, (along with the entire channel) and make some money off a loosing venture.
The other, “non-sporting event”, i.e. documentary based / entertainment programming such as Motorsports Mundial, Victory by design and a few others may likely be sold off to other channels or dropped from syndication all together.
You are likely right the real losers will be those who were the airplane and boating buffs.
As much as I hate to admit it, F1 will NEVER be as big in the US as NASCAR. Just as World Cup Soccer will never be as big as the NFL in the States. Even with an American team and all the effort on publicity and coverage to gain acceptance here in the States, WCS has been relegated to a second-class sport, as will F1.
As far as F1 is concerned, when you consider there isn’t an American team (Jaguar doesn’t count) nor even an American driver, you have to contend it’s a loosing proposition.
Face it, we live in a country were the likes of WWF, NASCAR and Jerry Springer prevails. The masses “just aren’t that smart”. A sad but true fact indeed!
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Doc,
I agree with your points yet again, but you kind of prove my point too at the same time. What you are ignoring is the fact that yes, they might lose 5% of their hardcore viewers due to outrage at the NASCAR stuff, but they will gain that back tenfold at least by attracting the very fans that only care about NASCAR. That is good business sense to me. Of course I am reminded of the Pinto gas tank exploding law of averages defense Ford had in the 70s too, but at least no ones safety is in jeopardy here. Right?
Anyway, I am not going to prolong this debate anymore as I am going to let the cards fall where they may and hope that Speed Channel does not kill off its road racing stuff. When you meniton:
[quote]they will continue to show F1 and likely SBK, WRC, (the former) Speedvisoin World Challenge series and perhaps even DTM, BTC, ATC and a few others for the rest of this season <hr></blockquote>
you for some reason fail to mention the other series I have been claiming all along: ALMS, Grand-AM, Le Mans, and CART. Those are all top notch road racing series in the US. I am glad they have found a good outlet on Speed Channel.
Lets hope we don't have to re-visit this topic in 4 months time. <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
E. J.
I agree with your points yet again, but you kind of prove my point too at the same time. What you are ignoring is the fact that yes, they might lose 5% of their hardcore viewers due to outrage at the NASCAR stuff, but they will gain that back tenfold at least by attracting the very fans that only care about NASCAR. That is good business sense to me. Of course I am reminded of the Pinto gas tank exploding law of averages defense Ford had in the 70s too, but at least no ones safety is in jeopardy here. Right?
Anyway, I am not going to prolong this debate anymore as I am going to let the cards fall where they may and hope that Speed Channel does not kill off its road racing stuff. When you meniton:
[quote]they will continue to show F1 and likely SBK, WRC, (the former) Speedvisoin World Challenge series and perhaps even DTM, BTC, ATC and a few others for the rest of this season <hr></blockquote>
you for some reason fail to mention the other series I have been claiming all along: ALMS, Grand-AM, Le Mans, and CART. Those are all top notch road racing series in the US. I am glad they have found a good outlet on Speed Channel.
Lets hope we don't have to re-visit this topic in 4 months time. <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
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E.J.
My last two posts were far longer than I usually like to write, and I do feel this string has gone on long enough beyond it’s original intent, (for enthusiast who care about the current goings on band together in an attempt to make a difference) yet I felt it was necessary to be clear and get my point across, but apparently I failed.
I’m not looking to get into a “pissing contest” about who’s right and who’s wrong. I was simply trying to make a point, however you seem to have an innate talent for provoking statements. Most recently:
[E.J. wrote]
“…you are ignoring is the fact that yes, they might lose 5% of their hardcore viewers due to outrage at the NASCAR stuff, but they will gain that back tenfold at least by attracting the very fans that only care about NASCAR. …That is good business sense to me”
On the contrary, I ignored nothing. Perhaps you missed my original statement:
[Doc wrote]
“FOX can afford to loose a million established [Speedvision] viewers if it means gaining another ten million.” [NASCAR viewers]
Furthermore it wasn’t a question of “good business” (I too concurred on that point. I felt that was pretty well implied by my statements, but perhaps not.) Regardless, no one is arguing whether or not the new SPEED CHANNEL is practicing “good business” we are simply displeased that it is at our expense.
Finally,
[E.J. wrote]
“…you for some reason fail to mention the other series I have been claiming all along:”
Again please refer to my statement:
[Doc wrote]
“…[SPEED CHANNEL] will continue to show F1 and likely SBK, WRC, (the former) Speedvision World Challenge series and perhaps even DTM, BTC, ATC and ***a few others*** for the rest of this season”
My apologies if I was not MORE specific, however **I** figured an intelligent person such as yourself, (to which I am giving you the benefit of the doubt) would have understood that.
It wasn’t a matter of EXACTLY WHAT they would continue, rather that they would eventually be transferred over to the likes of FOX Sports Net or some other sports channel and the original spirit of Speedvision which brought so many of us together, would be lost.
None the less, in the future you may want to read other peoples posts more thoroughly as well as consider restraining yourself a bit more before making “broad accusatory” statements about others before YOU know what you are talking about.
My last two posts were far longer than I usually like to write, and I do feel this string has gone on long enough beyond it’s original intent, (for enthusiast who care about the current goings on band together in an attempt to make a difference) yet I felt it was necessary to be clear and get my point across, but apparently I failed.
I’m not looking to get into a “pissing contest” about who’s right and who’s wrong. I was simply trying to make a point, however you seem to have an innate talent for provoking statements. Most recently:
[E.J. wrote]
“…you are ignoring is the fact that yes, they might lose 5% of their hardcore viewers due to outrage at the NASCAR stuff, but they will gain that back tenfold at least by attracting the very fans that only care about NASCAR. …That is good business sense to me”
On the contrary, I ignored nothing. Perhaps you missed my original statement:
[Doc wrote]
“FOX can afford to loose a million established [Speedvision] viewers if it means gaining another ten million.” [NASCAR viewers]
Furthermore it wasn’t a question of “good business” (I too concurred on that point. I felt that was pretty well implied by my statements, but perhaps not.) Regardless, no one is arguing whether or not the new SPEED CHANNEL is practicing “good business” we are simply displeased that it is at our expense.
Finally,
[E.J. wrote]
“…you for some reason fail to mention the other series I have been claiming all along:”
Again please refer to my statement:
[Doc wrote]
“…[SPEED CHANNEL] will continue to show F1 and likely SBK, WRC, (the former) Speedvision World Challenge series and perhaps even DTM, BTC, ATC and ***a few others*** for the rest of this season”
My apologies if I was not MORE specific, however **I** figured an intelligent person such as yourself, (to which I am giving you the benefit of the doubt) would have understood that.
It wasn’t a matter of EXACTLY WHAT they would continue, rather that they would eventually be transferred over to the likes of FOX Sports Net or some other sports channel and the original spirit of Speedvision which brought so many of us together, would be lost.
None the less, in the future you may want to read other peoples posts more thoroughly as well as consider restraining yourself a bit more before making “broad accusatory” statements about others before YOU know what you are talking about.
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It's mid-March now, and my sons and I miss more World Cup Rally coverage, CART, F1, and Sports GT stuff. We miss the SpeedVision format. They had it right and they wrecked it to infuse the more commercially viable American Stock Car enthusiast. Many just do not realize how big and funded F1 is. Formula 1 exceeds the revenue of most small European countries! But, SPEED is predominatly a cable channel, and the cable is bigger in the US than anywhere else, and in the US, there is more money in NASCAR and NASCAR sponsors. So,because it is cable, the US has the biggest audience. Because it's US audience, it's NASCAR. I'll sign the petition, but I wonder what good it'll do. SPEED is a commercial enterpise that must attract viewers and sponsors, so I "figur' to fix my spackin' a bit and larn me to droll my r's and spit tobaccie."
