944TURBOS

Between a 911 SC, 944 S2, 968 or 944 turbo what do you think the best option as an F class car is? thanks for any info

smlporsche

Hmmm.... Decisions, decisions.

I can't speak about the 911 SC althought I have passed a few I'm not sure wether it was the car or the driver.

Of the three remaining I would eliminate the 968 as the added weight is not compensated for by the additional HP.

Of the remaining 2 it depends on the track. On larger tracks with longer straights the 944 turbo would beat the S2. Oon tighter tracks the extra low end torque of the S2 would walk away from the turbo.

I obviously have my bias...as I bought an S2. Another factor that swayed me was the reliability of the 3,0 L 16 valve motor vs. the turbo...

Just my opinion...

analogmike

prepared or Euro SC is pretty quick.... 968 has proven to be very fast too if you dont mind the differential problems.

fork_included

pick whichever is the most reliable and easy to fix

the rest is driver skill. PERIOD. ive seen top drivers hop behind the wheel of another competitors car, who have been driving theirs for YEARS and beat best times after only a handful of laps.

Larry Herman

True, and when I ran in F there were 5 or 6 of us in the front that you could cover with a blanket. Still, there was one guy with a Euro SC that was substantially faster, and although he was fast, the difference wasn't the driver. For my money, a Euro SC is the way to go in F.

993944S2

Larry;

What do you find are the biggest differences between F and your current class? Besides the obvious like speed, costs etc? I think you were part of the F-troop group?

Don Ehinger

MPD47

If you've done a rebuild to fix the preload problem and you arent launching it, what problem?

Geoffrey

To be fair, I think that you can get more power out of a CIS SC Euro engine than you can a 3.2 Carrera...and still be considered stock...

Larry Herman

Yes I was, but left the group in 1999 to attend to growing children. F troop was a blast because most of us had Carreras, and they all had the same mods, and all ran around the same speeds, so it came down to a matter of who was driving well that weekend. There was a 944S2 that was right there, along with a few Euro SCs as well.

What I have found is that as the speeds go up, the disparity in drivers grows. Guys who ran together in slower cars do not move up to faster ones with the same degree of success. Plus I find that the mix of cars have greater variances from track to track. I had pretty much the measure of my competition at Watkins Glen, where handling and momentum can cover a 40 or 50 hp disparity. At Daytona though, I was down about 5 mph and there wasn't enough infield to make up what I lost on those long straights.

Larry Herman

Absolutely correct, AND you get to run 100~200 lbs lighter!

trackjunky

Having a 944 Turbo and racing agains S2's and Euro SC's, I would say that the Euro SC is the class of F.

Look over the F results. Other than a black or a white 968, it's all S2's and SC's. You simply will not find a non-S Turbo at the top in F. I went back 2 years in the PCA results.

We can do the "yada, yada, yada" about equal drivers and all. But, that would be assuming that top drivers only choose SC's and S2's. Statistically that type of chance pairing just doesn't even begin to make sense.

My suggestion would be to buy the type of car that you like, you like to work on, and that others have. This will help you "dial in" your car. Ultimately, I bought a 944 Turbo because on paper, it looks like it should be very competitive. I figure that if I can develop it enough, I may have a car that others do not and maybe have an advantage at some tracks.

So far, my logic has not panned out.

Jim Child

How can you say that?

968: 236 hp, 3,086 lbs ==> 13.08 lbs/hp
944S2: 208 hp, 2,932 lbs ==> 14.10 lbs/hp

For the past couple of years Gary Grigsby's 968 has usually been the car to beat in F class. There is only one car he has trouble beating and its a Euro SC. I don't believe he's ever been beaten on the track by a 944 S2. In my 968 I've beaten 944 S2's more times than I can count, many more than have ever beaten me. Also, no diff problems for either one of us.

Regarding the non-S 944 turbos, I think they're at a bit of a disadvantage since they have to run narrower tires and smaller brakes than the 968 and 944 S2.

Glen

I think Boxster, but nobody that can wheel has tried it yet...will not be a popular opinion on the board however...

jaholmes

I wouldn't count the Boxster out yet. The problem is that you can get a well developed S2 for $20k to $25k with some decent spares. The donor Boxster would be $20k to start plus the cost to develope the car.

Glen

Well developed Boxster sold on ebay a year ago at 16,888 and then just resold out of Cali a few weeks ago at 23k.