Steward B.

For the sake of discussion, let's hypothetically assume that PCA Club Racing decides to adopt the current rules proposal that would increase the listed weight of a stock class car by 200 lbs, with cars to be weighed with drivers.

The topic I want to throw out is:

"Is 200 lbs the correct number?"

Should it rather be 150 lbs so that light drivers don't have to add ballast?

Or should it be 180 lbs, which I believe is the number used by SCCA?

Or 250 lbs? Or what number?

analogmike

I choose 150. Seems so many people are complaining about adding too much ballast already. This way less ballast will be needed. I will need another 50 lbs in my 2.7RS if it's 200 lbs

Glen

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Looks like it needs to be 190 lbs so might as well make it 180 so we can get some complimentary overlap with SCCA.

Best regards,

Larry Herman

Yeah, let's make it 150 lbs. I'll take back my 80 lb disadvantage to you jockeys.

M758

I think 200lbs is way too much. 180lbs is better sine it matches with SCCA. Also Why make the ligher folks ADD wegiht. I rather see the big guys LOSE weight (either themselves or in the car).

Bottomline is the lighter 150lbs guys will NOT want to add 50bls of ballast (for 200lbs, heck 30 is bad enough), but if you weigh 230lbs you get take out alot of weight you would rather pull 50lbs than just 30lbs.

38D

I don't think that using the average male weight is a good idea, as this is a co-ed series. My opinion is that it needs to be low enough that nearly no one has to add additional ballast. 150lbs would accomplish this. I have no issues if the larger folks get to remove some ballast.

DJF1

I agree with Glen, adopting 180lbs will allow the cars to transfer to other series as well...

esscape26

The last time PCA looked at weight, it was 150. Has the average driver gotten that "phat" to now be 200?....
One reason people leave PCA is that the stock/prepared classes are so heavy, while GT is "anything goes." Huge divide.

Certainly not a way to make the stock drivers comfortable, by asking for another 50 pounds...

BTW, I don't weigh the 90 that is frequently reported but let's not talk about it; my competitors all make up for the weight difference with me, I promise.

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Ernie J

Why not make the weight including driver, most could take weight out. Cheaper than losing weight( drivers weight)

JimB

I like 150. It accomplishes the fairness formula and let's many of us lighten up a little bit. I really think 200 is too much.

Larry Herman

Yeah, 150, and pass the doughnuts please.

esscape26

Maybe PCA put the weight high, so it would get turned down?

Also, with all the enduros, strategy:
1. Is the last driver or the 'owner' weighed? Either of you choice? (Find a "phat" co-driver?)
Many of us skip refueling with slow hoses and high gas fill. Gosh, now that's heavy.
2. Some guys sweat out 20 pds....I also know some of us our weight goes up and down, too....

Because cutting it close, but that's what racers do.

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Russ Murphy

Just asking, but does anyone really want to race a truly "stock" car. Does anyone drive their Club race car daily anymore? Everyone wants their car to be lighter and handle better and accelerate faster. There's really very little that's "stock" about most folks suspension in the "stock" classes. If the purpose of stock classes is to control costs (I assume it is) and nobody likes to push a tank around a track why not lobby for a stripped "stock" car. Isn't that kinda what the 944 spec series and such have? It's not like we don't know what any of these cars weigh with various deletions. Pick a sensible set of deletions and that forms the basis for the hp/weight formula (with driver). It is a chasm to leap across to GT currently.

analogmike

Agree!!! Extra weight is LESS safe, uses more fuel, more brakes, more tire and less fun to drive. Why should we have to make our heavy stock beasts even heavier??? Make it 100 pounds extra with driver and many more people will be happy than with 200 pounds or the current rule. Please write in if you think 200 pounds is too much and will make you add excessive weight.

swftiii

Russ,

I actually race in stock class with my daily driver. I am far from competitive in my class and without making some significant changes my car is already 50# over weight. Add that with my larger than average size 6'2" and 225lbs I will be at a serious disadvantage. I'm all for including drivers weight, but let's make it reasonable for a stock car (really stock) to get down to that weight with an average sized person (190#).

Which ever way things go I'm not a big complainer, so let's just see how it goes.

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