DE Cost..
#17
[QUOTE=Christian20]DE's are economical, well at least in my mind they are. A 2-day event for me is by far the most relaxing distraction I have found to date. So when compared to a two week vacation or say something as silly as offshore fishing (read 400 gals of fuel + bait + ++++) it quickly makes the case.
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I'm with you Christian! I don't have many expensive hobbies any more, no Golf, hardly any fast women hi honey.
The DE stuff keeps me moving through the BS.
Recreation Budgets are an important part of life! (I am in the recreation business)
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I'm with you Christian! I don't have many expensive hobbies any more, no Golf, hardly any fast women hi honey.
The DE stuff keeps me moving through the BS.
Recreation Budgets are an important part of life! (I am in the recreation business)
#20
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Hey Bob you asked for it
http://www.deathclock.com/
My average cost per event is between $500 and $750. I hope my wife is not looking over my shoulder right now.
http://www.deathclock.com/
My average cost per event is between $500 and $750. I hope my wife is not looking over my shoulder right now.
#22
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Originally Posted by Juan Lopez
I could have bought a trophy manufacturer by now
BTW I'm a CPA.......
BTW I'm a CPA.......
either your calculator ignores all DE cost or somehow you made them tax deductible. if it's the latter, PM me. you are hired
#24
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I run about $1k a weekend for a two day event (hotels and such) and keep it under $500 for 1 day events. I scheduled up about 10-15 DE's this year. However, I go to the ACNA events (Audi Club) on the cheap (being a board member), however my time is worth WAY more than the return, so it's a net loss on that. ;-).
But I am starting to try to edge towards 1 day events at TH or BW here in CA. Mainly because I can drive vs trailer the car, I don't need hotel, etc. Depending on the entry fees, I can get it down to $300 for 1 day.
All of this does not include the car consumables. Thats a different spreadsheet by design. But I have spent a friggin' mint on the car since I got it 6 mo. ago, I was warned about the slope. This is my first pcar.
I also run a small consulting company, and the income has been 'covering' my costs. I spoke with my CPA, and I believe I may be doing some sponsoring of myself by tastefully stickering my car, helmet, etc. As long as I don't go crazy I was advised I can do a bit of writeoff for advertising. Hey, any little bit helps. For instance, sponsor my fuel costs.
So my top $$ saver tips for DE are:
- 1 day events, drive to event.
- find a source of income, create a budget, stick to it.
- use tires that last a reasonable amount of time (MPSC's vs Hoosier) because, hey this is not a race.
- do maintenance yourself on the car as you can.
- resist the slope of upgrades as best you can.
- instruct when you can (limits track time, but also costs little or none)
- split out your 'safety' upgrade costs, the wife will never argue with those. So signoff is easy.
What other tips do people have?
But I am starting to try to edge towards 1 day events at TH or BW here in CA. Mainly because I can drive vs trailer the car, I don't need hotel, etc. Depending on the entry fees, I can get it down to $300 for 1 day.
All of this does not include the car consumables. Thats a different spreadsheet by design. But I have spent a friggin' mint on the car since I got it 6 mo. ago, I was warned about the slope. This is my first pcar.
I also run a small consulting company, and the income has been 'covering' my costs. I spoke with my CPA, and I believe I may be doing some sponsoring of myself by tastefully stickering my car, helmet, etc. As long as I don't go crazy I was advised I can do a bit of writeoff for advertising. Hey, any little bit helps. For instance, sponsor my fuel costs.
So my top $$ saver tips for DE are:
- 1 day events, drive to event.
- find a source of income, create a budget, stick to it.
- use tires that last a reasonable amount of time (MPSC's vs Hoosier) because, hey this is not a race.
- do maintenance yourself on the car as you can.
- resist the slope of upgrades as best you can.
- instruct when you can (limits track time, but also costs little or none)
- split out your 'safety' upgrade costs, the wife will never argue with those. So signoff is easy.
What other tips do people have?
#25
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1K a day? Man speed costs. I have not done a hard numbers tally and will not do so just in case the household CFO was to find them. Considering I got 6 years from the last motor and rebuilt crank out with new P&Cs it for $1800, front rotors have lasted for more than 3 years, rears for 6 and counting, tires about 3/4 of a season on a set of 4, pads a year or more each set, little bit of an instructor discount, pull the trailer with a 6 cyl PU, split a room when I can, I would say I am on the low end of the pay scale.
Tip #1 do not add up the costs.
Tip #1 do not add up the costs.
#27
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Originally Posted by Z-man
'Cause the wifey requested it!
Believe it or not, I have found that my 'track expenses' hover around $500 per event. But I don't add regular car maintenance to the mix - that's in another spreadsheet altogether!
What I do track per event (via a spreadsheet) is the following:
- Track fees
- Hotel expenses
- Fuel costs
- Oil costs (@ $5/quart)
- Tire expenses
- And the all important "Other costs" column.
Note: I also do not count food costs, since when I'm not at the track, I still need to eat! And at work, we typically go out to eat at a fast food place, so the fud bill is similar...
Believe it or not, I have found that my 'track expenses' hover around $500 per event. But I don't add regular car maintenance to the mix - that's in another spreadsheet altogether!
What I do track per event (via a spreadsheet) is the following:
- Track fees
- Hotel expenses
- Fuel costs
- Oil costs (@ $5/quart)
- Tire expenses
- And the all important "Other costs" column.
Note: I also do not count food costs, since when I'm not at the track, I still need to eat! And at work, we typically go out to eat at a fast food place, so the fud bill is similar...
Amortize cost over 3 years:
engine rebuilds
tranny rebuilds
Then there is:
Insurance for car
Depreciation on car
Opportunity cost of car + money spent on hobby
Depreciation on tow vehicle, wear & tear on tow vehicle, etc...
When you factor in these big ticket items, that extra set of brake pads is almost irrelevant.
#28
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well, memberships to golf clubs cost alot of $$ also.
Skiing in Aspen isnt cheap either (i think of DE as my warm weather skiing equivalent).
Just remember its a hobby and go have fun.
Skiing in Aspen isnt cheap either (i think of DE as my warm weather skiing equivalent).
Just remember its a hobby and go have fun.
#29
Race Director
Originally Posted by DrJupeman
I built a detailed cost calculation spreadsheet at one point for many different types of cars. Cars that I've owned, cars that I've wanted to buy, etc. I got pretty carried away building the sheet and I will note, to pick on Zman's list, that the big ticket items of true cost he is leaving out. For example:
Amortize cost over 3 years:
engine rebuilds
tranny rebuilds
Then there is:
Insurance for car
Depreciation on car
Opportunity cost of car + money spent on hobby
Depreciation on tow vehicle, wear & tear on tow vehicle, etc...
When you factor in these big ticket items, that extra set of brake pads is almost irrelevant.
Amortize cost over 3 years:
engine rebuilds
tranny rebuilds
Then there is:
Insurance for car
Depreciation on car
Opportunity cost of car + money spent on hobby
Depreciation on tow vehicle, wear & tear on tow vehicle, etc...
When you factor in these big ticket items, that extra set of brake pads is almost irrelevant.
It's not that I don't track those expenses, it's just that they are on a different spreadsheet. Makes the track budget look better. Am I foolin' myself? Or my wife? No. She and I are well aware of the costs associated with the upkeep of my car. Almost as well aware as my mechanic is!
-Z.