Dbltime

Was this car featured in a Excellence article? Anyone have a clue which issue or have information on the car?

Manny Alban

Bill, I've got a copy of the region newsletter that this car was featured. I believe it's the Road Runner Region out of Arizona. Send me your fax number or snail mail address and I'll get it to you. It says it weights 2100lbs and has an available 850HP. I saw this car in person at TMS last year. It's very well prepared.

Dbltime

Thanks Manny. Fax info would be great! fax# 410-268-7562

Rick

Bill,
It's also shown in the recent Pano magazine; contact info is listed as Bruce Phillips (503-344-0000 or Bphill22@aol.com).
Cheers,
Rick

carreracup21

Seems like that car has been for sale about 2 years now. Looks like a scorcher.

Dbltime

Probably a great car but the cost of running a 962TT motor must be a bundle. How many race hours can you expect from a 800+ hp 962 motor? Rebuild cost? I would guess 15 hours and $50K. That would make the car a hard sell.

Jean

Bill the 800hp would be running at 1.5+ bar or so, you can always run it at 1.2 bar and get your 600+hp, and it will last much longer (40-50 hours?). Stress on components is exponential with higher boost and RPMs as you know.

RSRRacer

Bill:

The car is a good deal at the advertised price. Take out the 962 motor and just run a well boosted 993TT motor. Keep or sell the 962 motor. It may be wortk $60K by itself to the right person.

800 HP and 2100 lbs is just too much for all but the most elite drivers. I cant imagine having tirespin at 100-120mph, which you would have with this kind of power without a fancy ECU.

Alan C.

I've seen the car before and it is nice looking and appears to well done. As would a set of tires at that level of power. Norm Goldrich is about 100 hp less and as I recall he can only get a couple of sessions out a set of tires.

But you would look good in it Bill

Dbltime

The owner just sent me a bunch of photos and some specs. Very impressive car. I certainly don't need 800hp in a 2100# car so dial it back and maybe she will hold up. Chris has a good point about driving ability. This would be a handfull. Maybe I will pull two plug wires off for the first few races.

There are some great buys on "outside the mianstream" race cars. The wet cup converted to RS spec is a deal in the low $70's but I can't race that with HSR/SVRA. I think I can get a logbook for this car as a IMSA GTO class car.

Bruce P

Hi all -- I'm the owner of the car in question and would like to set a few things straight. This car I believe is getting a bad rap to some degree about how supposedly expensive it is to run. I have run this engine in this car and a previous body on and off since 1995. It was purchased from Chet at Electrodyne who had purchased it from Al Holbert back in the IMSA days. I also run a GT3 Cup Car and a 3.5 semi tube frame PCA GT3 car for my girlfriend ( a twin to this car). If anybody knows what it costs to run this car I do! I completely rebuilt the engine a few years back when it had well in excess of 60 hours on it. At that time it was running perfectly but 60 hours are about the limit for those old style titanium rods. The internals, compression, leakdown etc were still good. With the help of ANDIAL and Jerry Woods the engine was rebuilt about 25 hours ago with Carillos and P&C's to make it a 3.5 liter at a cost to me of about 10-12K. These engines were built to run 24 hours at high boost (1.5 bar). This engine made 690 HP at 1.1 bar when it was a 3.2 liter. In club racing I have set the rev limiter at 7200 and usually ran it at 1.1 bar (1.5 when I really wanted to scare myself) and still have never been seriously challenged in straightline speed. A friend of mine owns the ex Monte Smith twin turbo car and we used to run against each other a lot. This car would be 10-20 car lengths ahead of that car on the start of a race (at an 'average track') going into the first corner.
Bottom line here--- if attention is paid to proper oil changes (the car has a huge oil capacity), is not zinged to 10 zillion RPM, is run at relatively modest boost (1.1 bar or so) and the engine management system is not messed with to 'lean it out' this engine will do 100 hours of club racing. At that point new bearings (std 930 stuff) new P&C's, headwork and the other usual internals like chains, tensioners, gaskets etc are all that is required. Been there- done that -got that t-shirt !

The car was featured on the cover of a French magazine the equivalent of Excellence (Sportwagen Motors) a few years ago and has been seen in numerous other publications in smaller articles as well. The car is a real head turner at the track and has been extremely reliable. I am in Albuquerque New Mexico and so the car has not been seen a lot by a lot of people on the east coast.

carreracup21

Bruce that sounds awesome. Bill, you should get it so I can watch you and Norm light it up.

Jean

Bruce

Thanks for posting the info, you have an amazing car, I guess I wasn't too far off in my estimates, it reminds me of the Alzen RS Tuning 996TT car and I am sure with 2100lbs, it is much faster. It would be great if you could post here the specs and pictures. Have there been any magazine tests performed on the car (acceleration etc..)? If so, care to share which one and the number.
Thanks

Dbltime

Nice going Bruce, you are driving the price up. I'm just a working stiff... Where is Norm G when you need him.

viperbob

Bill - A little OT but I saw your old car last week at the HSR event at Sebring. When I first saw it in the pits, I knew that I had seen it before. Then I saw your name (letters gone but they had not cleaned the windows around the letters) and it clicked. You'll be happy to know that it came in second place in the 4 hour Enduro...