Porsche RS Spyder with livery debut
10-08-2005, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Geo
re: passenger seat/compartment:
...Some prototype rules in the past required you carry a spare tire. Some required you provide for a standard set of luggage.
...Some prototype rules in the past required you carry a spare tire. Some required you provide for a standard set of luggage.
Scrutineer: "Show us the luggage compartment."
GT-One Engineer: "OK. This is the luggage compartment."
Scrutineer: "That's not the luggage compartment. That's the fuel cell."
GT-One Engineer: "Yes. The fuel cell is *in* the luggage compartment."
10-08-2005, 01:05 PM
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Thanks for the clarification guys. I guess it might work well to provide thrill rides at sort of like they do with open wheel tandem cars. I would rather sit side by side with a pro rather than behind them. Well actually I think I would just prefer the driver's seat.
10-08-2005, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by macnewma
This may have been answered before or it may be a stupid question but why does there appear to be a passenger seat area?
initially LeMans was for "production" cars. Particularly beginning in the 50's, the prestige of LeMans win encouraged MFGs to push the rules (imagine that!!!).
"Cheater" cars...(can you spell F-E-R-R-A-R-I!) were being entered that were not production.... so homologation rules were instituted that cars has to have minimum production quantities (check the history of the Ferrari 250 GTO to understand how well "homologation" rules worked in practice).
Now, the ACO recognized that the most exciting cars were not anything but "pure" race cars, but understood that they were the show... so they bent the rules to allow "prototypes" that were ostensibly the next generation of production cars. These had much looser homologation production, but did have to at least look like real sportscars (even though both sides knew it was a bit of a sham...the theory was the the MFG has the "intention" of building it to homologation levels at some time in the future....)...
So the prototypes still had to have passenger seats and have room for a standard set of ACO "luggage"... even the 917 had a small rack in the engine compartment for that set of luggage... (I'm still waiting for the production 917 to be launched.....)
BTW....
Actually, the 917 was a trojan horse. In 1970, the ACO re-structured the rules to limit prototypes to 3.0 liters. (The fact that the French Matra team had just launched an extremely fast 3.0 lite car, obviously had nothing to do with the ACO's decision...) 5.0 litre cars were required to be production cars with homoligation production of 50 cars in the year...
Porsche calculated that they needed 50 cars to run the full season anyway and did a crash program to build them... there is a famous picture showing all 50 917 lined up for homologation approval...
As it worked out, Ferrari petitioned to get the 512 approved and this was approved even though Ferrari never got close to building 50 512s... but the ACO realized that they needed a competitior... and a great chapter of racing history was written..
So credit the great race cars like the C and D Jags, MB 300SLR, and 250 Testa Rosa to those rules....complete with passenger seats and "luggage" compartment.
"Prototype" of course today has become synonomous with pure race car, but the roots go back to good old cheating back in the 50's...
10-10-2005, 09:33 AM
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Coming back from Summit this weekend I saw two Penske transporters stopped at the rest stop on the turnpike outside Carlisle heading West.... DHL/Porsche on the side! Makes me think there is more than 1 car and I bet they're heading to the west coast for R&D.
10-10-2005, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Wreck Me Otter
Penske Porsche Set for Laguna Seca Debut
Written by: News Wire
Atlanta, Ga. – 10/6/2005 The Penske Porsche will sport its new DHL Global
Mail livery at Laguna Seca. (Porsche photo)
Under the direction of Penske Motorsports, Porsche rolls out its next
generation, state-of-the-art LMP2 prototype as it prepares for its 2006
assault on the American Le Mans Series. Porsche factory drivers Sascha
Maassen and Lucas Luhr will drive the new cars, which makes its debut at the
ALMS finale, the Oct. 15 Monterey Sports Car Championships at Laguna Seca.
The car had originally been scheduled to debut at ast weeend's Petit Le Mans
a Road Atlanta.
DHL Global Mail today announced that it had signed on as the primary sponsor
of the effort.
“We are excited to be associated with Porsche, as we are both known and
share a passion for high-quality, reliability at any speed and solutions
that fit our customers’ needs. Our goal is to use this platform to help
build our customer relationships in a meaningful way,” said Joe Phelan,
President and COO, DHL Smart & GlobalMail. “A recognized car brand like
Porsche together with the highly professional team of Penske Motorsports is
a perfect fit to a worldwide leading logistics provider like DHL.”
Commissioned by Porsche Cars North America, Inc. (PCNA) and Porsche
Motorsport North America for racing customers who compete in the LMP2 (Le
Mans Prototype 2) class of the ALMS, the Porsche RS Spyder features a
completely new Porsche engine, transmission, and chassis, all incorporating
the latest in Porsche automotive technology and created to conform to new
2006 Le Mans 24 Hours rules and regulations of the Automobile Club de
l’Ouest (ACO).
Written by: News Wire
Atlanta, Ga. – 10/6/2005 The Penske Porsche will sport its new DHL Global
Mail livery at Laguna Seca. (Porsche photo)
Under the direction of Penske Motorsports, Porsche rolls out its next
generation, state-of-the-art LMP2 prototype as it prepares for its 2006
assault on the American Le Mans Series. Porsche factory drivers Sascha
Maassen and Lucas Luhr will drive the new cars, which makes its debut at the
ALMS finale, the Oct. 15 Monterey Sports Car Championships at Laguna Seca.
The car had originally been scheduled to debut at ast weeend's Petit Le Mans
a Road Atlanta.
DHL Global Mail today announced that it had signed on as the primary sponsor
of the effort.
“We are excited to be associated with Porsche, as we are both known and
share a passion for high-quality, reliability at any speed and solutions
that fit our customers’ needs. Our goal is to use this platform to help
build our customer relationships in a meaningful way,” said Joe Phelan,
President and COO, DHL Smart & GlobalMail. “A recognized car brand like
Porsche together with the highly professional team of Penske Motorsports is
a perfect fit to a worldwide leading logistics provider like DHL.”
Commissioned by Porsche Cars North America, Inc. (PCNA) and Porsche
Motorsport North America for racing customers who compete in the LMP2 (Le
Mans Prototype 2) class of the ALMS, the Porsche RS Spyder features a
completely new Porsche engine, transmission, and chassis, all incorporating
the latest in Porsche automotive technology and created to conform to new
2006 Le Mans 24 Hours rules and regulations of the Automobile Club de
l’Ouest (ACO).
10-10-2005, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MJR911
Coming back from Summit this weekend I saw two Penske transporters stopped at the rest stop on the turnpike outside Carlisle heading West.... DHL/Porsche on the side! Makes me think there is more than 1 car and I bet they're heading to the west coast for R&D.
10-10-2005, 09:38 PM
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I would like to see a throwback to Rothmans & Löwenbräu for a race or two.
10-10-2005, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by carreracup21
I heard a rumor that they were doing 1:12's at Road Atlanta which would have put them right there with the R8, but the new Audi diesel LMP1 will be faster than the R8.
We'll start to see on Thursday whether the RS Spyder has the goods.
10-11-2005, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JCP911S
Fractured history of LeMans, replete with inaccuracies and generalizations....but...
1969 is the year Porsche "presented" the 917's, the requirement was only 25 cars not 50. The 917 debut was at SPA May of 1969.
Ferrari followed Porsche's lead and presented 25 512's for homologation mid year, not to debut the car until 1970.
The best part of the story is Ferdinand Piech offered Dean Delamont of the FIA to take a ride in one of the 917's. Rumor has it (or maybe its a fact now?) that only a few of the cars were actually complete.
Here is a site with the picture of the 917's lined up:
http://www.porsche917.com.ar/xhistoria1969_1.htm
10-11-2005, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
I'm glad you said that, so I will not feel like I'm beating you up over details
1969 is the year Porsche "presented" the 917's, the requirement was only 25 cars not 50. The 917 debut was at SPA May of 1969.
Ferrari followed Porsche's lead and presented 25 512's for homologation mid year, not to debut the car until 1970.
The best part of the story is Ferdinand Piech offered Dean Delamont of the FIA to take a ride in one of the 917's. Rumor has it (or maybe its a fact now?) that only a few of the cars were actually complete.
Here is a site with the picture of the 917's lined up:
http://www.porsche917.com.ar/xhistoria1969_1.htm
1969 is the year Porsche "presented" the 917's, the requirement was only 25 cars not 50. The 917 debut was at SPA May of 1969.
Ferrari followed Porsche's lead and presented 25 512's for homologation mid year, not to debut the car until 1970.
The best part of the story is Ferdinand Piech offered Dean Delamont of the FIA to take a ride in one of the 917's. Rumor has it (or maybe its a fact now?) that only a few of the cars were actually complete.
Here is a site with the picture of the 917's lined up:
http://www.porsche917.com.ar/xhistoria1969_1.htm