Greg Fishman

Mitch,
That would be a good time, but I imagine the carnage might get out of control. What I saw summer of 03 at Road America was bad enough!

carreracup21

I'd do it.

MJR911

Greg, Here is another issue... do you think carnage comes from the best drivers or those driving over their heads? If you watch the SCCA runoffs, the leaders seldom get in trouble and I've seen a lot more carnage at the regional levels.

Greg Fishman

I can't say for certain but I bet you are right that most of the damage is from middle of the packers driving over their head.

Premier Motorsp

I can't say for certain but I bet you are right that most of the damage is from middle of the packers driving over their head.


You got that right. You almost never see the top guys crash. When they do, it tends to be big.

Chris Cervelli
Premier Motorsports

Greg Fishman

Or when the front guys are passing backmarkers, the top GTA, GT1 cars close up on stock class amazingly quick.
I have seem and heard of several incidents that involve a higher class car (faster on the straights) holding up a lower class car (fast in the corners). Lower class car makes a desperate move that the other guy isn't expecting. I have been fortunate to have good clean races where the other guy gives racing room but races hard.

Larry Herman

That's the nature of the beast with multiple class racing. It was a constant problem with the usual E/F grouping. The cars running at the front of F had to dive bomb the E cars, or they would never get by. In racing, you have to expect to be passed, and the fault is usually as much with the passee as with the passer.

Chaos

EASY on us backmarkers !!

Larry Herman

Actually it wasn't the backmarkers as much as it was the cars just off the pace. Guys who were running in 5th or 6th tangling with the frontrunners in the next lower group.

Pitboy

Chris Cervelli is hands down the best racecar driver in the pca. Has never had a 13/13 and drives 100% at all times. Not to mention he has the best C car on the planet.

MJR911

Hey Chris.... you go and make up a new name on here to pad your stats?! JUST KIDDING!

Carrera51

Manny:
Thank you for reminding me of Greg Merril and Dwayne Moses. Two other guys I know who I try to emulate. Getting within a half second of Greg on the time sheets was one of the big highlights of short club racing experiences.

Larry:
The times between the E and F cars are very close these days. Maybe its because more F car drivers are doing an upgrade or two and taking the bump to E. There are even some of the fast G car drivers (like Dwayne Moses) that are posting times that would be respectable in E or F. If you are thinking about racing your GT3, the guys driving them in B at Summit Point were cracking the 1:22s (in cars with license plates on them!)

Larry Herman

Thanks Mark. I was running 1:20s there on used slicks with my GT3, so I think that I should be in that ballpark on R tires. I hope to run a test day with some of the GT3 club race guys next spring just to see how we compare.

Mike in Chi

Ya know Larry another aspect of this line of thought is which fast driver has the lowest character.
(No fair voting for yourself, even if Chris did make up the Pitboy identity )

Larry Herman

I thought that thread would be best handled by CC.