Porsche's performance @Lemans 2023 venting..
06-12-2023 | 10:20 AM
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One of the 963's was reported repaired or retired due to a "sensor". That's why we have redundant sensors in the aerospace industry. Also we perform accelerated life testing on all electrical parts. I agree with the OP, Porsche is just not trying.
In the Lemans race, the crash recorder mandated by rules failed in the 963, so the car could not continue. In one of the earlier races this year, the Hybrid purchased from Williams failed and the transmission purchased from Multimatic failed. So all of these vendors are just not trying as well. Same thing as lowering costs.
My interest is reliability engineering in the aerospace industry.
And then there is the BOP. I would be happy to go back to the old system. Let each car race at their own speed. That's why I watch Formula 1. No race rigging!
Some BOP data here: https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...uding-le-mans/
In the Lemans race, the crash recorder mandated by rules failed in the 963, so the car could not continue. In one of the earlier races this year, the Hybrid purchased from Williams failed and the transmission purchased from Multimatic failed. So all of these vendors are just not trying as well. Same thing as lowering costs.
My interest is reliability engineering in the aerospace industry.
And then there is the BOP. I would be happy to go back to the old system. Let each car race at their own speed. That's why I watch Formula 1. No race rigging!
Some BOP data here: https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...uding-le-mans/
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06-12-2023 | 11:27 AM
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The fact that Ferrari could win outright in its first prototype appearance in decades, and little old Gickenhaus could best the Porsches in its first Le Mans appearance, is not good advertising for Porsche.
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06-12-2023 | 11:46 AM
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The fact that Ferrari could win outright in its first prototype appearance in decades, and little old Gickenhaus could best the Porsches in its first Le Mans appearance, is not good advertising for Porsche.
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06-12-2023 | 12:44 PM
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06-12-2023 | 01:04 PM
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In Fassbenders defence
Dont follow him or whatever, but if someone wants to throw money at racing they can do whatever they want provided they have enough so 0% of me is interested in 'chasing the dream aspect' for giving him brownie points. To me it is somewhat embarrassing for the sport telling people they're ready for the big boy events just because they wrote a cheque. Work your skill level up to that, don't just surround yourself by people propping your ego up or whatever claiming you're ready...
Makes for good tv though;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4HSpx3aBq8
Also puts another car on teh track and that usually means co-drivers getting seats that wouldn't normally have so I'm not entirely against it... but it's still embarrassing. It's like the olympics allowing some old billionaire to run the 100 meter.
Makes for good tv though;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4HSpx3aBq8
Also puts another car on teh track and that usually means co-drivers getting seats that wouldn't normally have so I'm not entirely against it... but it's still embarrassing. It's like the olympics allowing some old billionaire to run the 100 meter.
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06-12-2023 | 01:51 PM
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You guys are crazy if you think Porsche isn't trying. Weren't they the first to start testing these cars? I agree they have not hit expectations, but it's not from lack of effort.
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06-12-2023 | 06:27 PM
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06-12-2023 | 07:18 PM
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Yes, and he was penalized for it. The stewards noted in the decision that the marshal stand showing the yellows had been changed from the session before.
But yes, target fixation after not looking around. Something seen frequently in club racing and HPDE's.
No judgement, but the top Pro in the car, Ricky Taylor, first misjudged his braking and hit another LMP2 car, receiving a 1 minute stop and go. Decision 108 attached.
Not long after, he was surprised (the same way Thomas was) by a slow zone, locked them up and wrote the car off into the barrier in the first stint of the race. They didn't penalize him because the car was done. Decision 118 attached.
I don't think it's possible for most people here to accurately contemplate all that is required to do this, much less execute without error. Hats off to these guys. At least they're out there, and it was one of the pros that ended their race.
But yes, target fixation after not looking around. Something seen frequently in club racing and HPDE's.
No judgement, but the top Pro in the car, Ricky Taylor, first misjudged his braking and hit another LMP2 car, receiving a 1 minute stop and go. Decision 108 attached.
Not long after, he was surprised (the same way Thomas was) by a slow zone, locked them up and wrote the car off into the barrier in the first stint of the race. They didn't penalize him because the car was done. Decision 118 attached.
I don't think it's possible for most people here to accurately contemplate all that is required to do this, much less execute without error. Hats off to these guys. At least they're out there, and it was one of the pros that ended their race.
06-12-2023 | 07:50 PM
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Craill suggested this just now: "Mulling over a few LM thoughts.. Porsche Penske had a shocker but I don't know two entities that hate losing as much as Porsche and Roger Penske. Their revenge next year is going to be something to behold."
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06-12-2023 | 09:30 PM
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06-12-2023 | 11:02 PM
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Historically Porsche does try to squeeze more out of their budget. Here they are at a $100M+ per year deficit to Ferrari. Much like the long term accumulation of RedBull's advantage in F1, Ferrari will have that $$$ advantage for a while in WEC / LM
Porsche will need BoP to help them out if Penske is to come back a winner anytime soon.