This is why skid-pad work, and driving more to the limit of your car where there is a safe runoff, are key to figuring out where the limit is. People just send it and hope for the best.

When it happens again in 2022 at least you will know it was on purpose this time!

 

Stupidity is the real pandemic. In addition, there has always been this macho mindset in motorsports that "if you're not going off track, you're not trying hard enough". This is simply BS. But unfortunately this mindset is pervasive at all levels, in all organizations, and at all tracks. Until it is rooted out, pointed at, and laughed at for the stupidity it is, this kind of dangerous Devil May Care attitude will continue, and so will crashes.

 

"When it happens again in 2022 at least you will know it was on purpose this time!"

Yeh ok Verstappen

 

lol

 

I think I flipped Luigi off at LRP once as well. I believe we were eating chicken fingers and fries at the time.....

 

Since I drive VIR I checked the Open Track website. It shows they only offer insurance at VIR for annual policies, no individual event policies. Does this change for 2022?

 

Click here:

OpenTrack Insurance no longer insuring VIR,WGI DEs for single event policy - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums

 

Well, you're complaining enough to be Hamilton so I'm OK with being called Verstappen.

 

Peter,
Spot on. Analog race cars are the way to start DE or racing. At 2021 SVRA Watkins Glen, I turned in at corner 8 with too much velocity and my butt sensed it. My corrective action was 👎, turning the steering wheel more CW, spinning the car but no contact with the "blue."
In retrospect, I should have opened my hands, steering CCW and use the outside runoff with plenty of asphalt to correct.

 

Good luck convincing affluent Porsche owners to leave their nice new Porsches in the garage and instead buy an old 944 to take to the track. Not gonna happen. Someone should tell Porsche to stop making even their slowest sports cars so fast.

We're talking about DE, not 'most effective path to racing'.

 

Hasn't everyone?

 

If you make everyone happy all the time you are doing something wrong.

 

I agree with most of the above. We were at a recent events at Road Atlanta and Road America and the number of McLarens , GT 3s , and high powered mustangs etc in the novice group was impressive. I have never seen so many high powered cars being driven by novices in years past. Some of those novices make it up into the intermediate and advanced groups with a moderate amount of talent and preparation. Consequently there were quite a few offs and multiple totaled cars, I asked the guy driving the truck that collects the wrecks about how many cars he picks up on an average DE weekend that are destroyed and I offered the number two or three? , and he replied no no way more than that. Be careful out there
Lots of disposable income lots of people who want to go fast with 600 hp cars and too many cases of ambition exceeding adhesion.

 

My rule of thumb used to be, for a three-day track event with about 150 drivers, expect about 0 to 3 crashes. 0 is a really good event. 1 is pretty good. 2 is not so good. 3 is pretty bad. Anything more than 3 means there's a real problem with the way the event is being run, don't go to the events with that organizer until they get their act together.

 

That might have been the norm for pre-March 2020, certainly WAY low for post-March 2020, in my experience.

I think three crashes is a pretty good event for 140-175 cars. Hell, you ought to see the casualty count at a Club race!

I'm seeing 240-270 car events now. Still more crashes first session of the first day and second day, as well as end of the day. Still mostly top experience groups.